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re: A look back on 2019 lsu vs 2001 Miami and 1995 Nebraska

Posted on 7/31/22 at 11:54 am to
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
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Posted on 7/31/22 at 11:54 am to
I agree with this take primarily because 2019 LSU was the peak of that program during that period if not the last 2 decades, combined excellence, talent, accomplishments at the highest level. As great as 2020 Bama was on the box score and during a weird Covid year, I think their 2019 team was more talented and some of their best teams of the Saban era were years they lost a game in the regular season but won it all ultimately.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/31/22 at 12:11 pm to
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I think their 2019 team was more talented


Yes and no. The offense certainly had more weapons on it as you had Tua Tagovailoa under center, Najee Harris starting at RB, and the four-headed monster of Jeudy, Ruggs, Smith, and Waddle lining up out wide. However, the defense was nowhere near as good in 2019 as it was in 2020. A lot of that had to do with injuries but there also was a lack of chemistry - especially in the backfield.
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 7/31/22 at 12:37 pm to
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Yes and no. The offense certainly had more weapons on it as you had Tua Tagovailoa under center, Najee Harris starting at RB, and the four-headed monster of Jeudy, Ruggs, Smith, and Waddle lining up out wide. However, the defense was nowhere near as good in 2019 as it was in 2020. A lot of that had to do with injuries but there also was a lack of chemistry - especially in the backfield.


That goes to my point, it wasn't the peak of Alabama under Saban because it didn't have the combination of elite talent across the board with excellence on the field AND it happened in a Covid year with half-empty stadiums. (I still think if the 2020 LSU team played in a regular season like last year when the 2021 team almost won in Tuscaloosa, that game might have been more competitive but that's beside the point). The 2020 Alabama team was more like the 2018 Villanova basketball team, not overwhelming talent across the board certainly offensively but every player played their role to perfection and they dismantled teams generally. I'm sticking with that narrative.
This post was edited on 7/31/22 at 12:38 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/31/22 at 1:50 pm to
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That goes to my point, it wasn't the peak of Alabama under Saban because it didn't have the combination of elite talent across the board with excellence on the field


Are you talking about 2019 or 2020? I was referring to the 2019 football team. 2020 was a better overall team than their 2019 counterparts because they had a comparable QB and RB corps, a better and more experienced offensive line, and a WR unit that was just as dominant as the 2018/2019 group. The 2020 defense was also better than the 2019 unit.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
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Posted on 7/31/22 at 1:55 pm to
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 7/31/22 at 2:11 pm to
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2020 was a better overall team than their 2019 counterparts


I disagree based on talent, they played the game BETTER than their 2019 counterparts, that much I'll grant you and they played in a messed up Covid season with half-empty stadiums. That's why I compared them to the 2018 Villanova because that wasn't an Uber-talented team but every component played their part to PERFECTION.

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they had a comparable QB


Even accounting for Mac Jones' spectacular season, he vs Tua in a talent battle isn't a comparison, Tua's more explosive and Jones owes a lot of what he did to DeVonta

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WR unit that was just as dominant as the 2018/2019 group


They lost Waddle for basically half the season and it was basically the Smith/Metchie show (mostly Smith since he gained 1,800 yds), not at all a talent comparison to Ruggs/Jeudy IN ADDITION TO Waddle/Smith. I'm not backing down from this as I said previously.

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The 2020 defense was also better than the 2019 unit.


I did not disagree with this, NOW it wasn't the talent freak show of 2021 OR 2022 with Anderson, Mathis, Turner, To'o To'o, Battle all performing at the peak of their powers relatively but anytime Christian Barmore and Patrick Surtain are your top guys on D, bodes pretty well for you.
This post was edited on 7/31/22 at 3:31 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65147 posts
Posted on 7/31/22 at 4:07 pm to
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I disagree based on talent


You can disagree all you want but it still makes you wrong. Talent is only part of the equation. It's a big part but still only a part. 2010 Alabama was unquestionably more talented than 2009 or 2011 Alabama. There were 11 future first rounders on that 2010 roster and yet they managed to lose three games and finish #10 in the country. 2009 and 2011 Alabama, inferior teams based on talent, ended up winning national championships.

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they played the game BETTER than their 2019 counterparts


Therefore making them a better overall team. You can have all the talent in the world on your roster but if you don't play well as a team, the chances of you dropping a game or two increase exponentially.

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Even accounting for Mac Jones' spectacular season, he vs Tua in a talent battle isn't a comparison, Tua's more explosive and Jones owes a lot of what he did to DeVonta


Here you go again, obsessing over talent. That seems to be all you care about. Tua is no doubt the more talented player, however, Mac Jones was the better QB because he made better decisions with the football. Tua thought every play needed to be an electric play. Mac Jones had the awareness to realize that was not the case and wasn't afraid to dump it off to the underneath guy if nothing was open down field. It's because of this that Tua ended up dislocating his hip against Mississippi State and hurting his ankle against Tennessee. He held onto the ball too long looking for something that just wasn't there.

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They lost Waddle for basically half the season and it was basically the Smith/Metchie show (mostly Smith since he gained 1,800 yds), not at all a talent comparison to Ruggs/Jeudy IN ADDITION TO Waddle/Smith. I'm not backing down from this as I said previously.



Once again...obsessing over talent and not how they played together as an overall unit. The 2019 WR corps was undoubtedly more talented than the 2020 WR corps. However, the 2020 WR corps played better as a unit and did a much better job at blocking and setting the edge for rushers like Harris and Robinson.

This post was edited on 7/31/22 at 4:09 pm
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 7/31/22 at 7:31 pm to
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You can disagree all you want but it still makes you wrong.


I'm not wrong, I'm being as objective as possible here.

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It's a big part but still only a part.


That's my point and analysis

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2010 Alabama was unquestionably more talented than 2009 or 2011 Alabama.


Yupp

That's my analysis, the COMBINATION OF THE TWO. That's why I compared 2020 Alabama to the 2018 Villanova basketball team, doesn't detract from the excellence of the performance but they didn't have the combination of what 2019 LSU, 2001 Miami, 2005 USC did with talent at their respective peaks and dominant performance. If anything, they were more like 2005 Texas except Mac doesn't jump off the page like Vince Young did that was more DeVonta. I'm gonna stick with my narrative until the cows come home because it's well-founded and reasoned.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35615 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 2:28 am to
You left off 1972 USC.

I think if there's one person who ever lived that could tell us who the GOAT was, it would be Keith Jackson.

"I've always considered that 1972 USC team the best team I've ever seen, ... I've said that for a long time, and I've seen them all."

True he died before 2019 LSU but he called 1995 Nebraska games and 2001 Miami Rose Bowl.
This post was edited on 8/1/22 at 2:31 am
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
12790 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 6:31 am to
I actually think 2018 bama was saban’s most talented squad.

They demolished everyone up until the title game. I still can’t believe how poorly they played against Clemson.
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 6:55 am to
That team was STACKED, I thought Quinnen Williams was going to be like Reggie White in the pros, hasn’t happened yet. But Forreal Damien Harris AND Josh Jacobs on the same team with Jeudy, Ruggs, Smith, etc. Holy mackerel.
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