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re: 32 DI Olympic sports teams have been cut since the House settlement

Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:17 pm to
Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:17 pm to
I agree that their priority should not be profit.
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
4857 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:38 pm to
Why don't they have a fundraiser like Braxton's travel ball team?
Or hold up signs and the street corner so they can go to 'world series"?
Or just play for fun?
Why should revenue positive sports pay for these?
Only the parents of these players go to the events.
Not really worth the hassle of having them.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
10376 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:39 pm to
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If you are expanding the department there were no previous occupants, which is the overall point DA

This is how we know you have no idea what the inner-workings and operations of an athletic department look like, especially at small schools. You think they’re just holding unused rooms with nothing in them in their small office areas, waiting for some unknown position in the future to be created before they make use of that space.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37275 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:42 pm to
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This is how we know you have no idea what the inner-workings and operations of an athletic department look like, especially at small schools. You think they’re just holding unused rooms with nothing in them in their small office areas, waiting for some unknown position in the future to be created before they make use of that space.


Damn, you are dumb
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
10618 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:43 pm to
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Are they all still in compliance with Title IX regulations?


if they cut both men's and women's tennis team and the field portion of track, then most likely they are.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
34163 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:07 pm to
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Prior to NIL, college football and basketball players were overpaid. Yes, overpaid. There is absolutely no market for 18-22 college football players. None. How do we know this?


There would be a market similar to minor league baseball and hockey where the pro-teams/leagues signed and paid players. The pay scale would likely be similar to baseball. The top prospects would be paid a lot, but most guys wouldn't make what they do now in NIL as P4 conf. players.

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Could it be that outside of the university system and the traditions and culture of collegiate athletics these players have no market (muh capitalism!)??? People don't pay a single dollar to watch Tim Tebow, Derrick Henry or Marvin Harrison, Jr. They pay billions to see those players play for the University of Florida, University of Alabama and Ohio State University, respectively. That's their draw. How many people would have payed to see them play for a minor-league team several steps below the USFL or XFL?


I agree with you. Players on the LSU Tiger football team can fill (at least for a half) a 100k seat stadium. Those same players on the "Baton Rouge Tigers" would struggle to fill 21k seat Memorial Stadium in BR.

But that doesn't change the fact there has been for a pretty long time now a big inequity between the revenues paid to the power conferences/schools and NCAA (now into the Billions) and the players, which was "legally" almost 0.

The Big 10, SEC, etc and their member schools generate revenues largely through these avenues:

Media rights (TV) deals
Ticket sales
Licensing of their brands
(along with private donations)

The NFL and NBA, along with their franchises generate revenue in essentially the same EXACT manner (absent the private donations)

The only difference is the NFL/NBA and its players agree to share the revenue both concurrently generate. The NCAA/Conferences didn't share that revenue with the players.

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This is just another virtue signaling crusade for these idiots. 


I don't think so. There is a real inequity. The schools are getting tens of millions of dollars. The coaches are getting several millions of dollars. The players, while not getting zero benefit, aren't getting a reasonably equal share of that revenue they are helping generate.

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And when they destroy collegiate athletics, they'll just move along like locusts to their next look-at-me cause.


The NCAA, conferences and schools have seen this coming for decades now. Yet, they REFUSED to take any proactive steps. Instead, they stood fast on the position that college football and basketball were "amateur" sports...while happily signing multi-million (now billion) dollar TV contracts, building bigger and more elaborate stadiums with higher ticket costs, and licensing their brands for a fee to any company who wanted to slap it on everything from a toothbrush to a video game.

The solution requires BOTH sides to accept reality. The NCAA, conferences, and schools have to finally acknowledge that major conf football and basketball are not "amateur sports". They are multi-million dollar ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESSES.

The players have to acknowledge that the current business model of an unrestricted and inconsistent marketplace is not sustainable as a whole, which will decrease the opportunities to play sports beyond HS except for the very small few who are truly good enough to be pro players.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
11029 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:17 pm to
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Are they all still in compliance with Title IX regulations?


Title IX is not just the same amount of scholarships and budget. There is the "student interest" part. Many NCAA programs have more male scholarships and more male participants and are not in trouble due to the "student interest" portion of IX.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25189 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:29 pm to
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but Iowa state spends over $40 million per year just on the athletic department

Number seems high, but "athletic department" can also be very broad. Did it specify what exactly falls under "athletic department" beyond AD staff and offices? Would expenses related to arenas that are used for a variety of sports and other events be included in that $40M? Or facilities like athlete dorms and dining halls that are shared by players from multiple sports?
Posted by Enzos Tiny Pito
Member since Oct 2019
2189 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:30 pm to
This is what happens when you can shop around for whatever judge gives you the best chance of succeeding.

Was pretty obvious that this one didn't have a clue what she was getting into throughout the settlement
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
39941 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:32 pm to
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They pay billions to see those players play for the University of Florida, University of Alabama and Ohio State University, respectively. That's their draw


they also like winning, supply of 5 stars is lower than the demand for winning. NIL or not, players were getting paid. NIL just ceased the stupidity of keeping it under the table.

College football fans are coming for the brands, yes but if you teams sucks arse because you aren't recruiting they will stop watching.

The problem these days the portal has given players entirely too much leverage. That would have been the same issue NIL or Not. The bagman was always there.

the idea that they were overpaid is so dumb because you are worth what someone is willing to pay you. It turns out, people are willing to pay a lot to win in college football
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
10376 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:41 pm to
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Damn, you are dumb

Unsurprisingly, you once again have no rebuttal because you’re a moron that has absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37275 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:41 pm to
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The solution requires BOTH sides to accept reality. The NCAA, conferences, and schools have to finally acknowledge that major conf football and basketball are not "amateur sports". They are multi-million dollar ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESSES. The players have to acknowledge that the current business model of an unrestricted and inconsistent marketplace is not sustainable as a whole, which will decrease the opportunities to play sports beyond HS except for the very small few who are truly good enough to be pro players.


I have no clue how anyone can disagree with this
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 2:48 pm to
Indiana got rid of athletic department staffers
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7477 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 4:04 pm to
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College sports are dead.


I imagine "Club Sports" will gain popularity, with...shocking...college students participating. I welcome it. My wife played club soccer before the school had an official team, and it was a lot of fun.

Posted by LaLadyinTx
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2018
7133 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 4:08 pm to
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But we're not talking about "student athletes" any more are we? The goal isn't to use your abilities in a particular sport to earn the eventual prize of a diploma...

It's about getting to the pros, and if you cant do that, then "get your bag" for four years while you have the chance.


That right there is the problem. 2% of college athletes go pro in their sport. 98% of college athletes are going there to actually get an education and actually are student athletes. All the big money is with the 2% and it's ruining everything for the 98%.
Posted by MetArl15
Washington, DC
Member since Apr 2007
12697 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 4:46 pm to
In 2036, when our Olympic medal count is lagging far behind China, this will be a big reason why.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53795 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 4:57 pm to
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In 2036, when our Olympic medal count is lagging far behind China, this will be a big reason why.


Who cares, they already win in the shite we don’t care about
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
10054 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 9:42 pm to
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imagine "Club Sports" will gain popularity, with...shocking...college students participating. I welcome it. My wife played club soccer before the school had an official team, and it was a lot of fun.


Honestly, this. ACHA Club hockey has over 300+ hockey programs across the country. Some of them are a few steps above intramural, some are as serious as a Varsity sport. SEC and ACC club hockey is booming. The Georgia "club" team is in the midst of building a seriously nice rink, D1 level. North Carolina is also working on an arena project.

I see the rest of college athletics trending towards what ACHA Club hockey is. Self-supporting, self run teams that are affiliated with the school but not "Varsity".

For reference, UNLV has one of the best ACHA programs in the country. This past year they played several D1 Varsity teams and even beat the defending national champion Denver Pioneers.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
20634 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 1:15 am to
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Why don't they have a fundraiser like Braxton's travel ball team?

Most notably, because it doesn't even fricking matter... over a decade of funding doesn't even move the needle.

Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69849 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:04 am to
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All the big money is with the 2% and it's ruining everything for the 98%.


Yep. And it's going to really suck for those athletes who don't play football or basketball who see their sport cut from their school's athletic program because they can't afford to keep it operating for one reason or another. But hey, Ryan Williams can now advertise for his favorite nail polish company on television.
This post was edited on 6/19/25 at 8:05 am
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