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re: 2023 Formula 1 season Thread
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:17 am to Lsut81
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:17 am to Lsut81
Several reasons that I can think of...
*They genuinely want Checo to finish P2 in the WDC, that would be the first time they win WCC, WDC, and P2 in WDC. In the Vettel era Webber achieved P3 3 out of 4 times, P6 in 2012. Checo is currently 30 points ahead of Lewis. Also, I read the other day that it's quite possible for Lewis to finish P2 without ever having won a race, which would be the first time the P2 finisher went a whole season without a win.
*There's no real benefit to giving him the boot now, they'd already have to eat his 2024 contract plus lose out on the sponsorship $$ he brings. Putting in Daniel for a few races isn't really going to give them anything. They have enough sim data to know what they have/don't have in Daniel, so I doubt that move happens before 2024.
*They WANT Daniel at AT for the rest of the season. 1) He gives them a better shot at scoring points, hopefully catching Haas for 9th in the Constructors, they're 7 points back right now. 2) Probably most importantly, AT is about to announce a rename/rebrand, so they want one of the sports most popular drivers in that spot to get eyeballs their way, push the new branding, etc. Even if it's just short term through the end of the season.
*They genuinely want Checo to finish P2 in the WDC, that would be the first time they win WCC, WDC, and P2 in WDC. In the Vettel era Webber achieved P3 3 out of 4 times, P6 in 2012. Checo is currently 30 points ahead of Lewis. Also, I read the other day that it's quite possible for Lewis to finish P2 without ever having won a race, which would be the first time the P2 finisher went a whole season without a win.
*There's no real benefit to giving him the boot now, they'd already have to eat his 2024 contract plus lose out on the sponsorship $$ he brings. Putting in Daniel for a few races isn't really going to give them anything. They have enough sim data to know what they have/don't have in Daniel, so I doubt that move happens before 2024.
*They WANT Daniel at AT for the rest of the season. 1) He gives them a better shot at scoring points, hopefully catching Haas for 9th in the Constructors, they're 7 points back right now. 2) Probably most importantly, AT is about to announce a rename/rebrand, so they want one of the sports most popular drivers in that spot to get eyeballs their way, push the new branding, etc. Even if it's just short term through the end of the season.
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:46 am to 1999
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Helmut Marko reassures that Red Bull will respect Checo's contract as they don't have any alternatives
"I repeat myself, but Perez has a contract and we want to respect it."
"We just don’t have any alternatives. Otherwise he might have a problem"
the quote machine continues. someone from the board needs to give him a call
Posted on 10/11/23 at 2:12 pm to 1999
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Helmut Marko responds to Gerhard Berger, who said it would be wisest for Checo to leave Red Bull in his own interest: "You don't want to hear an answer from me on that just before the Mexican Grand Prix."
Guess who's dating Berger's daughter? Danny Ric.
And because we have rules:
Posted on 10/11/23 at 2:30 pm to BottomlandBrew
Gotdamn
Posted on 10/11/23 at 2:38 pm to BottomlandBrew
Posted on 10/13/23 at 5:26 pm to HubbaBubba
A week to go before the US Gran Prix at Circuit of The Americas and a quick search shows there's a huge amount of available tickets on Stub Hub, Seat Geek, SI Tickets and Ticketmaster.
Prices should start dropping, soon.
Prices should start dropping, soon.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 5:37 pm to JoeHackett
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Sergey Sirotkin
Posted on 10/13/23 at 6:47 pm to HubbaBubba
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Prices should start dropping, soon.
ETA: looked at turn 12, still the same price, maybe a bit more expensive, than 2 months ago when some friends bought theirs. Still at least 2x face value.
Gen admission doesn't sell out.
This post was edited on 10/13/23 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 10/13/23 at 7:02 pm to fightin tigers
I knew Vegas was going to be a night race but didn't realize that times would be so late. Qualifying will start at 2AM central with the race starting at midnight.
I get that it's really an ad for Vegas tourism aimed at the world outside of the US so that's why the start times are late but it still seems weird to have a race in the US that'll do nothing to grow the sport here. Plus the temps will probably be in the 40's for qualifying and the GP so expect complaining about that.
I get that it's really an ad for Vegas tourism aimed at the world outside of the US so that's why the start times are late but it still seems weird to have a race in the US that'll do nothing to grow the sport here. Plus the temps will probably be in the 40's for qualifying and the GP so expect complaining about that.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 7:20 pm to Lsut81
Ricciardo already had that seat and didn’t do well. I get that he’s a big personality. He’s also basically a washed up F1 driver.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 7:28 pm to VABuckeye
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Ricciardo already had that seat and didn’t do well. I get that he’s a big personality.
He did well in the seat given the capabilities of the car at that time. Just had completely unrealistic expectations of what his value was.
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He’s also basically a washed up F1 driver.
It’s not basically, he is. His results from the last few years bear that out. Including his performance in the AT this year compared to Lawson. The obsession with him getting the 2nd Red Bull seat makes no sense.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 9:56 pm to Diseasefreeforall
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knew Vegas was going to be a night race but didn't realize that times would be so late. Qualifying will start at 2AM central with the race starting at midnight.
Just saw this what the hell..
Posted on 10/13/23 at 10:09 pm to UltimaParadox
The VF-23 will look more like a Red Bull in Austin.
The list of new parts is long: side pods, underbody, cooling shafts, cooling gills, engine cover, brake linings, heat shields.
....The US racing team rented a garage on the highway towards San Antonio through a former employee in order to be able to quietly fit the two cars for Hülkenberg and Magnussen with the new parts. It wouldn't have been possible to get hands on in the garage at the track until Tuesday. The FIA has approved Haas' conversion plan.
New concept more predictable
The old concept had reached the end of its possibilities. "No matter what we screwed on the car, it didn't get any faster," says operations manager Ayao Komatsu. Steiner adds: "The delta between what was forecast for the racetrack and what actually arrived became larger and larger. With each modification, the data promised progress that could not be implemented. The new concept should be more robust in this respect. "
How do you know if the upgrade hasn't driven a meter yet? In recent months, Haas has taken on board some of the competition's engineers. Also from Red Bull. And they have reported from their own experience that certain concepts in the simulation produce deceptive results and others are more reliable.
Return of the Garagistas? I like it.
Find it interesting they've hired some people from RB. First I have heard of that. Moneygram (and soon to be Alfa?) money being spent.
The list of new parts is long: side pods, underbody, cooling shafts, cooling gills, engine cover, brake linings, heat shields.
....The US racing team rented a garage on the highway towards San Antonio through a former employee in order to be able to quietly fit the two cars for Hülkenberg and Magnussen with the new parts. It wouldn't have been possible to get hands on in the garage at the track until Tuesday. The FIA has approved Haas' conversion plan.
New concept more predictable
The old concept had reached the end of its possibilities. "No matter what we screwed on the car, it didn't get any faster," says operations manager Ayao Komatsu. Steiner adds: "The delta between what was forecast for the racetrack and what actually arrived became larger and larger. With each modification, the data promised progress that could not be implemented. The new concept should be more robust in this respect. "
How do you know if the upgrade hasn't driven a meter yet? In recent months, Haas has taken on board some of the competition's engineers. Also from Red Bull. And they have reported from their own experience that certain concepts in the simulation produce deceptive results and others are more reliable.
Return of the Garagistas? I like it.
Find it interesting they've hired some people from RB. First I have heard of that. Moneygram (and soon to be Alfa?) money being spent.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 3:59 pm to BuckyCheese
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Red Bull has reportedly given Sergio Pérez an ultimatum: if he loses P2 in the championship this year, he will be replaced by Daniel Riccardo in 2024.
My body is ready.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:38 pm to 1999
Hammer time
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:40 pm to 1999
Stupid as frick to waste that seat on Riccardo. Put Yuki there and you'd get the same or better results. Riccardo is washed.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:59 pm to 1999
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Red Bull has reportedly given Sergio Pérez an ultimatum: if he loses P2 in the championship this year, he will be replaced by Daniel Riccardo in 2024.
More pressure on a guy that has shown he cannot handle pressure.
Nice.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 8:17 pm to blowmeauburn
Lol wut? Lawson has shown better skill in 5 races than Yuki has in 2 years.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:47 am to Rendevoustavern
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The FIA is revisiting the incident in which Lewis Hamilton crossed a live track during the Qatar Grand Prix. Despite original stewards decision, “in view of his role model status, the FIA is concerned about the impression his actions may have created on younger drivers” #F1
Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:51 am to 1999
quote:tf does that mean?
Horner also wants rid of Yuki Tsunoda, the AlphaTauri driver, a decision which would require Honda to write a cheque of $10m.
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