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Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:35 pm to
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:35 pm to
I know things can change in a year and a half but I just don't see why RB would even want to change drivers. I'm not a Checco fan but he is doing exactly what RB would want a #2 driver to do. 2nd in points and on the rare occasion when Max doesn't win, he wins. Couldn't ask for much better.
Posted by YOURADHERE
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:55 pm to
I think their expectation is when given the best car on the grid then at worst you'd better come second-best or be pretty damn close and be on the podium. Sergio's issue has really been trash qualifying putting him on the backfoot during races.

Also, Red Bull knows the field will eventually get closer so they want someone they can count on the be up there to help Max and let them make alternate strategy calls.
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 3:12 pm to
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I'm not a Checco fan but he is doing exactly what RB would want


Keeping the mechanics employed with all his crashes in FPs
Posted by busbeepbeep
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 4:57 pm to
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FIA revealed everyone was under the costcap this year.

Red Bull switched to PB&J sandwiches to slash the catering budget.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 6:40 pm to
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Continuing to root harder and harder for Albon every week.


Williams is going places. I'm calling a legit podium next year.
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 7:51 pm to
quote:

I know things can change in a year and a half but I just don't see why RB would even want to change drivers. I'm not a Checco fan but he is doing exactly what RB would want a #2 driver to do. 2nd in points and on the rare occasion when Max doesn't win, he wins. Couldn't ask for much better.



Perez finished outside the top 2 eight times so far this year while driving the car that has won every single race with ease.

That is not exactly what RB wants. Max has a DNF for whatever reason and there is a very good chance Perez will not be in position to pick up the win as shown in this year's results.

And assuming RB continues to have the same advantage over the field in the coming seasons is not realistic. Perez will cost them a lot of points as the field closes up on RB.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 7:55 pm to
Steiner says they are going to Red Bull style bodywork as they cannot find gains in the tunnel with the current concept. Apparently the revised bodywork will appear this season.

For 2024 Ferrari will have a new rear suspension, so Haas will as well.

It should be noted Ferrari went to RB style sidepods a number of races ago and were having tire eating issues on par with Haas prior to the change.
Posted by 1999
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:16 am to
i agree checo has not been pulling his full weight. he needs to get his qualifying dialed in. and i like that RBR is being proactive for when they aren't so far ahead with their car. the scoring % for max vs checo isn't as bad as i thought though when compared to other teams...

Posted by 225rumpshaker
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:26 am to
Sergeant looks rightfully sad in this Infograph work up
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:11 am to
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Perez finished outside the top 2 eight times so far this year while driving the car that has won every single race with ease.


Honest question, do you think Perez car is just as good as Max's. Max has no advantage at all? If that is the case, sure, a change is fine. I personally don't believe that to be the case.

Most of his non top 2 finishes were a result of qualifying, which is on him. But I don't think there is a driver that you could say "ok this guy would definitely finish in 2nd place every single race." If Max has a DNF and it happens to be a week where Checco isn't in 2nd place then that is enough to let him go? It's hard to imagine Max even having a DNF, it happen to be a week Checco doesn't get second, and Red Bulls's reaction is "OMG the house is on fire! Checco started the fire!"

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And assuming RB continues to have the same advantage over the field in the coming seasons is not realistic. Perez will cost them a lot of points as the field closes up on RB.



How long does "the coming seasons?" I would find it much more unrealistic for Red Bull to lose an advantage/be challenged while Checco is under contract than I would for them to lose the advantage. Max is already having a more dominant season than Lewis ever had and I can see them being as good for 5-6 year stretch. Checco won't be there that long, but I'd be surprised if he ever finished lower than second overall for the rest of his current contract, much less cost them any critical points.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:44 pm to
Could argue that Perez already cost them one championship.
Posted by YOURADHERE
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:16 pm to
A new Rocketpoweredmohawk vid is what we've all been waiting for...

Rage Against the Grand Prix - Netherlands 2023
Posted by jefforize
Member since Feb 2008
45895 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:49 pm to
no more European Grand prix on the calendar this year. I will miss the Sunday 8 AM start times.


Posted by YOURADHERE
Member since Dec 2006
8499 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 2:03 pm to
The timing for Singapore is how I wish they could all be.

FP1: 4:30am Friday
FP2: 8am Friday
FP3: 4:30am Saturday
Quali: 8am Saturday
Race: 7am Sunday

Watch FP1 replay while having coffee and getting ready for work Friday, dick off for the first hour of work watching FP2, FP3 replay Saturday morning usually right before quali, get up on Sunday, watch most of the race before the rest of the household is even out of bed and still have the whole day left to do whatever we want.

I wish they all lined up that way.
Posted by TexasTiger33
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 5:32 pm to
I would like to take a moment to give glory to my favorite circuit in the world:

The Nurburgring Nordschleife

Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:17 pm to
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Honest question, do you think Perez car is just as good as Max's.


Yes.

Perez has even said they are identical.

Do you think Racey Spice would intentionally give the Mex an inferior car, guaranteeing poor qualifying and race finishes?

Max doesn't need the help. lolzzz
Posted by 225rumpshaker
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:02 pm to
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Honest question, do you think Perez car is just as good as Max's.
I think the car setup is the same, but I think the better and more accurate question would be if the car is designed to Max’s strength as a driver and Perez just can’t get the most out of this well designed machine.

Because simply he isn’t on the level or even drive the same type of race as Max.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:19 pm to
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but I think the better and more accurate question would be if the car is designed to Max’s strength as a driver


Newey would laugh at this.

Max is a beast right now. Mind and body right. The best driver and car tend to meet up. Does the car fit Max? Yes, obly because Max makes the car fit him at the same time.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:37 pm to
Max, and Chuck for that matter, like pointy cars. Loose is fast and they can handle it.

Perez and Sainz are not comfortable with a pointy car.

The RB is pointy just like Max likes it.

The Ferrari is a plowing pig since the TD last year. Coincidentally that also fits Harry Potter's fav driver better. He's gone but they were stuck with the car.


Pointy is such an F1 term... Top drivers generally like loose cars.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Member since Mar 2008
78353 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:40 pm to
Understeer is always the term I hear used.

Except Alonso who just wants a psycho fast car.
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