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re: 2023 Formula 1 season Thread
Posted on 7/30/23 at 7:12 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 7/30/23 at 7:12 pm to fightin tigers
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The only practice the teams can do with the actual car is what you see on TV.
They can't run the cars during the week between races or in the off-season. Even the models in the wind tunnels aren't allowed to be full size.
So the only way the teams can get verification of their updates and equipment are the practice times. FP1 usually has most of the discovery and update testing and isn't always geared towards the actual race or what setup they will run.
I get that, but wouldn’t that make racing more challenging? More wildcards? Nascar went away from pracitces with a small 15 or 20 one and races seem to have more challengers.
Not saying its the answer and regardless what I type F1 isn’t going to change it. But for the most part every year the title is won after a few races.
I’m just thinking of ways to spice it up. Heck, if they do sprint races every week they could invert field from prior weeks race. Then have a Junior Title for the Sprint race year. So you would have 2 title races. I know thos is way out there and won’t happen and is stupid. But I suspect F1 ratings are peaking in US and will go down if they leave as is. Practices pretty much take fun out of real race other than first few corners.
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Posted on 7/30/23 at 7:35 pm to OU Guy
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I know thos is way out there and won’t happen and is stupid. But I suspect F1 ratings are peaking in US and will go down if they leave as is. Practices pretty much take fun out of real race other than first few corners
If F1 learns anything from the NASCAR hype days they need to learn not to go the direction NASCAR went.
It is the nature of the series that you get dominant periods. Restricting practice and development has made the problem even worse.
F1 isn't the drama DTS portrays it to be, no matter what F1 does it will not keep a lot of the DTS fans. By making these gimmicky changes (sprints/reverse grids) all they will do is chase their base off.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 7:46 pm to fightin tigers
I think there's a good chance that Liberty will be reactionary and want more change if there is a downturn in revenue. There's bound to be a pullback from the momentum built and money brought in by DTS and the 2021 craziness.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 7:53 pm to fightin tigers
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If F1 learns anything from the NASCAR hype days they need to learn not to go the direction NASCAR went.
It is the nature of the series that you get dominant periods. Restricting practice and development has made the problem even worse.
F1 isn't the drama DTS portrays it to be, no matter what F1 does it will not keep a lot of the DTS fans. By making these gimmicky changes (sprints/reverse grids) all they will do is chase their base off.
You’re not wrong. I’m just having fun trying to find a way to spice it up. Costs teams a lot to have 3 practices. Its what, 4 hours of practice for a less than 2 hour race? But with events feasting in fans for 3 days they won’t cut days or practices down. So my take is add a gimicky sprint to all race weekends.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 8:00 pm to OU Guy
I think it will kill the sport in an attempt to retain fans that have no chance of sticking around anyway.
Liberty will likely try it though.
Liberty will likely try it though.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 8:10 pm to fightin tigers
Cool pic.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 8:32 pm to BuckyCheese
Right before he brushed the wall as meat in sandwich
Posted on 7/30/23 at 11:00 pm to MountainTiger
That was fun. Midfield battles galore.
VER's move on Checo was immaculate.
Spa is glorious.
VER's move on Checo was immaculate.
Spa is glorious.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 3:43 am to TexasTiger33
Four weeks until the next race! 
We're just a little over halfway through the season (12 done, 10 to go). Let's look at the recent trends. Max domination sucks, but there's lot of action everywhere else.
After Canada, it looked like Alonso was threatening Perez, but then he faded a bit, and now Hamilton is coming on strong and threatening Alonso's place in the championship.
George is in the muck with the Ferraris. It's amazing how close those three guys are. The McLarens are shooting stars now. Stroll is scraping the bottom of the points-scoring positions and is falling further behind Alonso. The Alpines are also scrapping for points and are being left behind by McLaren.
We're just a little over halfway through the season (12 done, 10 to go). Let's look at the recent trends. Max domination sucks, but there's lot of action everywhere else.
After Canada, it looked like Alonso was threatening Perez, but then he faded a bit, and now Hamilton is coming on strong and threatening Alonso's place in the championship.
George is in the muck with the Ferraris. It's amazing how close those three guys are. The McLarens are shooting stars now. Stroll is scraping the bottom of the points-scoring positions and is falling further behind Alonso. The Alpines are also scrapping for points and are being left behind by McLaren.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:33 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
Red Bull has a 6 race lead in the constructors with 10 races to go. 
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:01 pm to sorantable
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Sainz is such a whiny bitch.
By stating a simple fact and then moving on immediately. That's not bitching about it. Piastri didn't have the line and he was never going to pull that off and ruined both of their day.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:07 pm to iwyLSUiwy
To me it seems Piastri was almost daring Sainz to not get out of his way.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:49 pm to Tornado Alley
Yea I mean if Carlos swerves to get out of the way he causes at least 3 more cars to wreck.
Just was a little over zealous and wasn't the right tie for trying to make a move. It happens. Was unfortunate for Sainz though. Don't really think it was a bitch move for a simple tweet.
Race overall was ok but I did get a quick 30 minute nap in. Honestly I've enjoyed almost all of the qualifying's better than the actual races this year. Although there was some good back and forth after Red Bull in this one and the tire strategy aspect was definitely more interesting than most races.
Just was a little over zealous and wasn't the right tie for trying to make a move. It happens. Was unfortunate for Sainz though. Don't really think it was a bitch move for a simple tweet.
Race overall was ok but I did get a quick 30 minute nap in. Honestly I've enjoyed almost all of the qualifying's better than the actual races this year. Although there was some good back and forth after Red Bull in this one and the tire strategy aspect was definitely more interesting than most races.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 3:00 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Agreed.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 3:01 pm to Tornado Alley
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To me it seems Piastri was almost daring Sainz to not get out of his way.
The problem with Piastri is he gambled and lost. But if you are going to gamble do it at a track without a wall on the inside. Had he done this at a track without wall then he might get away with it or at least cause less damage - since the wall isn’t moving and any contact has no give.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 3:29 pm to Tornado Alley
After watching the start a few times, I would say it's a typical 1st corner racing incident, but if I had to blame someone, I would blame Sainz for the collision.
At the start of the race, under heavy acceleration you see a lot of people weaving to block or to get around someone who had a slow start. In this case Hamilton weaved all the way to the left to get around Perez, and Sainz decided to go inside Hamilton. The problem is that braking for the 1st corner already started. The puff of front right tire smoke when he started going around Hamilton is a good indication that weaving under heavy braking is not a good idea. It was just bad timing. So Sainz cut all the way from the left side of the track to the apex under heavy braking, an unusual and risky move. From Piastri's perspective he had a wide open space in front of him to the apex. It wasn't his fault at all. He had no way of knowing that he should have braked earlier to avoid Sainz cutting all the way across the track under braking. That's the crux of the matter: once you enter the brake zone everyone has already made their choice and can't "brake harder" to avoid you if you change lanes.
From the TV camera perspective:
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1685669394536382464
From the onboard cameras:
https://twitter.com/VideosFormula/status/1686041198455111680
I also watched Yuki Tsunoda's onboard of the start, and saw something much more orderly. When they got to the 1st corner, Stroll was to Yuki's left and ahead of Yuki. But Stroll didn't cut across the apex, he left space because that's the smart way to take the first corner if you weren't already on the far right. You could also interpret it as Stroll staying left to possibly get around Alonso (and to not risk rear-ending his teammate), so I might be giving Stroll too much credit avoiding something that might have been happening behind him.
Yuki's onboard:
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1686059149157711885
At the start of the race, under heavy acceleration you see a lot of people weaving to block or to get around someone who had a slow start. In this case Hamilton weaved all the way to the left to get around Perez, and Sainz decided to go inside Hamilton. The problem is that braking for the 1st corner already started. The puff of front right tire smoke when he started going around Hamilton is a good indication that weaving under heavy braking is not a good idea. It was just bad timing. So Sainz cut all the way from the left side of the track to the apex under heavy braking, an unusual and risky move. From Piastri's perspective he had a wide open space in front of him to the apex. It wasn't his fault at all. He had no way of knowing that he should have braked earlier to avoid Sainz cutting all the way across the track under braking.
That's the crux of the matter: once you enter the brake zone everyone has already made their choice and can't "brake harder" to avoid you if you change lanes. From the TV camera perspective:
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1685669394536382464
From the onboard cameras:
https://twitter.com/VideosFormula/status/1686041198455111680
I also watched Yuki Tsunoda's onboard of the start, and saw something much more orderly. When they got to the 1st corner, Stroll was to Yuki's left and ahead of Yuki. But Stroll didn't cut across the apex, he left space because that's the smart way to take the first corner if you weren't already on the far right. You could also interpret it as Stroll staying left to possibly get around Alonso (and to not risk rear-ending his teammate), so I might be giving Stroll too much credit avoiding something that might have been happening behind him.
Yuki's onboard:
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1686059149157711885
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:22 am to MountainTiger
hugo boss racing
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Red Bull - who owns AlphaTauri - has expressed no interest in an outright sale of its junior Formula 1 team, which was formerly Minardi and Toro Rosso, with RacingNews365 and Formula.Hu understanding that an offer of around $1 billion to sell has been rejected.
Instead, Red Bull has been trying to source a new headline sponsor for the team, currently named for the clothing brand Red Bull set up in 2016.
Multiple sources have confirmed to RacingNews365 and Formula.Hu that Hugo Boss is now in negotiations to become the title sponsor of the AlphaTauri team.
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The attention of Hugo Boss in an F1 programme has been driven by CEO Daniel Grieder, who assumed control in June 2021 having spent six years in a similar role at Tommy Hilfiger, working closely with Mercedes driver and seven-time World Champion Lewis Hamilton.
This collaboration allowed Hilfiger to reconnect with a younger and more diverse fanbase, with Grieder admitting he would not follow the same path when assuming control of Hugo Boss.
Instead, the American-born businessman believes that the sports market is key to continuing to grow the Hugo Boss brand, also allowing it to cater to both the male and female markets, with there being a sharp increase in the number of women watching Grand Prix racing, fuelled by the Netflix show Drive to Survive.
Upon starting at Hugo Boss, Grieder wanted to boost sales to around $4 billion per year by 2025, but better-than-expected sales performance has led to a readjustment of $5 billion per year in the same timeframe, with an increased and heightened presence in the sports world after long-term deals with the McLaren and Mercedes teams.
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Grieder has expressed his desire to add more clothing brands to expand the sizeable Hugo Boss umbrella, with the still-young and emerging AlphaTauri brand ideal to be added to the portfolio, according to sources of RacingNews365 and Formula.Hu.
Should the acquisition be completed, it is still unclear as to what name the team would bare from the 2024 season.
Hugo Boss currently has multiple marketing strategies in place, with the 'Hugo ' or 'Boss' names possible, or indeed a brand name such as 'Boss Orange'.
In 2023, Hugo Boss is currently a partner of Aston Martin, with a spokesperson explaining that "Our BOSS brand is, and will continue to be the official fashion partner of Aston Martin," when approached by Formula.Hu for comment.
Further questions about the potential acquisition of AlphaTauri or a sponsorship of the AlphaTauri F1 team would not be answered.
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While Hugo Boss is the front-runner, it is understood that current sponsor Orlen is also interested in becoming the main and title sponsor of AlphaTauri.
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The oil company, partly owned by Saudi Arabia's Aramco, is in talks with Red Bull, with the Polish concern's red accents already prominently visible on the cars driven by Daniel Ricciardo and Yuki Tsunoda.
Sources indicate that Red Bull is not currently in talks with parties other than Hugo Boss or Orlen, but this cannot be ruled out.
However, clarity is required as soon as possible regarding the title sponsor, with the 2024 season looming.
RacingNews365 and Formula.Hu understands that a final decision is expected from Red Bull in September, with a potential third option being both Hugo Boss and Orlen will sponsor the team.
However, this is deemed unlikely by sources familiar with the matter as Hugo Boss is understood to be fully committed to assuming sole control, but Orlen would continue on with the team, just not in an expanded role.
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:48 am to 1999
All I got from all that is that I don’t think Red Bull (or anyone else) should be allowed to own a “junior F1 team”.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 12:39 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Piastri didn't have the line and he was never going to pull that off and ruined both of their day.
lol wut?
He was on the inside the entire time and Sainz is the one who dove to the apex on a T1
Sainz tried to take hamilton around the outside
He realizes that's not going to work and dives back toward the inside while locking up in the braking zone without any regard for if anyone is on the inside, which oscar was and was there the whole time
He had at least 2 feet on the outside of hamilton that he could have gone but chose to squeeze oscar
It's a racing incident and T1 at Spa is always a frick show. But Oscar had every right to have that corner and dind't need to back off just to give Sainz the room. He paid the price, but he also let the field know you cant squeeze him and he'll back off. Sainz was the onee trying to pull off heroics in turn 1 of Spa.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 12:44 pm to barry
I’ve always reckoned myself to be a Sainz fan, but I’ve lost a lot of respect for him this year.
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