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Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:09 am to BuckyCheese
quote:Are F1 contracts guaranteed?
He does anything out of line and Racey Spice will wipe his arse with his contract before flushing it.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:28 am to shel311
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Are F1 contracts guaranteed?
Would think so outside of ethical violations... RB would have to buy him out, but at this point, it may be worth it.
Bring in Danny Ric on the cheap
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:02 am to Lsut81
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Official that Hulk is second driver at Haas
Hulk is a good racing driver, and I think he may perform well with a decent car, in a similar vein as KMag.
Recall, he raced 3 GPs in 2020 for then Racing Point and finished 15th in the points standings for the season...
Posted on 11/17/22 at 2:38 pm to fightin tigers
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Just listened to Missed Apex and they brought up a good point, which might mean this isn't over.
Checo was coming off Barcelona where the team had been majorly favoring Max by sacrificing Checo. Checo probably saw Monaco as payback and now may see this as another score to be settled.
Just don't believe it is over.
F1 really needs to lose the term "team". There's no such thing in this sport except for Bottas being Lewis' sacrificial lamb and taking it.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 2:48 pm to TexasTiger33
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Hulk is a good racing driver, and I think he may perform well with a decent car, in a similar vein as KMag.
Recall, he raced 3 GPs in 2020 for then Racing Point and finished 15th in the points standings for the season...
He'll do fine, Hulk is the reliable, safe choice. But there are so few seats that become available in F1 from year to year, that I think they really need to give more young guys a chance. Hulk had plenty of opportunity and now he's old. I made this argument previously, and someone here disagreed, saying there are not that many exceptional F2 drivers (so the exceptional drivers do get their chance). Well, my example of why this is short-sighted is Damon Hill. If you look at his pre-F1 career, he never won a championship and never even won an F3000 race. He obviously got an opportunity because of his name. But to be clear, he wasn't a pay driver, he always struggled for a budget, that's why he was never in good position to win at the lower levels. In F1, sure he ended up on one of the top teams, but he had a great three-year run culminating in a championship. So it can be very hard to evaluate who might be successful in F1 when their situations are so different at the lower levels. I say give more of them a chance. For example, Callum Ilott should have had his chance but he gave up and went to IndyCar to keep his career going.
I don't follow F2 closely enough so I don't have an example of a current F2 driver that I would put in the Haas seat before Hulk, but I would certainly put Palou or O'Ward in that seat before Hulk.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 3:08 pm to fightin tigers
RBR will eat the remaining years of his contract if it comes to it. everything there revolves around Max. if checo wants to rock the boat he is toast.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 3:14 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
Unless your goals are more focused on development feedback for the car rather than strictly race performance. Hulk will probably provide much more value in that department than any rookie could.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 3:16 pm to shel311
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Are F1 contracts guaranteed?
It turns out they are enforceable.
When Peter Sauber retired as team principal he put Monisha Kaltenborn (the team's corporate lawyer) in charge, and what a disaster she was.
Giedo van der Garde had a contract to drive for Sauber in 2015, but they told him that they hired two drivers and that van der Garde was out. I don't know if they offered to pay him his contract amount, but he said the contract guaranteed him a race seat, so he demanded his seat. They refused, so he took it to Swiss arbitration, and they ruled in his favor. But Sauber went to Australia intending to race with their chosen drivers. So van der Garde employed the legal system in Australia and the Australian court also ruled in his favor!
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/mar/10/giedo-van-der-garde-wins-sauber-court-case
Kaltenborn was determined that van der Garde would not race for them, so Sauber declined to participate in FP1 for fear that Australia would confiscate all of their team assets. After that, van der Garde relented, saying that he didn't want to screw with the careers of Marcus Ericsson and Felipe Nasr, so he let them race and later came to a financial settlement with Sauber.
I'm sure everyone learned a big lesson from this, and yet we still had two big contract dramas this year, both initiated by McLaren, with Palou and Piastri.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 3:23 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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F1 really needs to lose the term "team". There's no such thing in this sport except for Bottas being Lewis' sacrificial lamb and taking it.
The entire point of the sport is a team sport. They don’t give a duck about the drivers.
Formula 1 is a developmental league. It’s meant to generate revenue through research. Cars and car performance will always be the number 1 thing in the sport and they get more out of that by having things set up as a team
Posted on 11/17/22 at 3:28 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
Your assuming that Haas is looking to the future.
They aren’t. They’re looking to bring in someone who can immediately be matching K-Mag while keeping a clean nose so they can free up $$$ for future development.
They aren’t. They’re looking to bring in someone who can immediately be matching K-Mag while keeping a clean nose so they can free up $$$ for future development.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 3:32 pm to Drewbie
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Hulk will probably provide much more value in that department than any rookie could.
There was some analysis that like Haas would have earned Xx million dollars more if Magneson’s performance was duplicated in points.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 3:35 pm to VABuckeye
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Perhaps they turned the engine down after that (or Sainz fiery ending later in a race) and that was the end of Ferrari this year.
Not sure if true but I saw Ferrari ran out of money and stopped developing the car
This post was edited on 11/17/22 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 11/17/22 at 4:17 pm to athenslife101
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There was some analysis that like Haas would have earned Xx million dollars more if Magneson’s performance was duplicated in points.
Read an article earlier that claimed each position in the WCC was worth around $12-13 million.
That's why Steiner was talking about keeping eighth as being very important to the team.
If Mick had scored similar to K-Balls they'd be fighting for 6th, which would be a pile more money.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 4:36 pm to BuckyCheese
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If Mick had scored similar to K-Balls they'd be fighting for 6th, which would be a pile more money.
to be fair, since the 5th race of the season, Mick has outscored K-mag 12-7. Mick had a shite start to the season for sure, but that was also the first time he actually had to race other cars in F1 as he was at the back of the grid all of last year in that shite box.
This has been my whole thing with Mick, its essentially his first year in F1. Last year all he was doing was busy being a glorified parade car.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 4:39 pm to barry
Stiener was done with Mick when Mick started flirting with other teams.
He wants drivers that are dedicated to Haas and don't have an eye elsewhere.
He wants drivers that are dedicated to Haas and don't have an eye elsewhere.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 4:50 pm to fightin tigers
Also, pretty cool to see all the drivers able to get together for dinner at the end of the year. Think last year was skipped.
This post was edited on 11/17/22 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 11/17/22 at 5:04 pm to fightin tigers
Wow, so much to digest in the picture, Bottas with the 70's porn stache, Lewis and his MC Hammer pants, Seb looking like a stoner, and Yuki just being tiny.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 5:11 pm to TigerAlumni2010
Albons blonde hair threw me off.
Perez and Verstappen are definitely the furthest apart teammates, right?
Perez and Verstappen are definitely the furthest apart teammates, right?
Posted on 11/17/22 at 5:25 pm to Open Your Eyes
Lewis playing mindgames by befriending Checo...
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