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re: 2021 NCAA MLAX Championship Tourney: UVA 17 vs. MD 16. UVA = Champs (2 in a row)
Posted on 5/23/21 at 1:08 pm to PublixSubs
Posted on 5/23/21 at 1:08 pm to PublixSubs
That foul against Sowers in the final minute has to be one of the most cynical and violent hits I’ve seen.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 3:50 pm to Keys Open Doors
This slate of games, other than the Gtown/UVA game has been very exciting.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 3:51 pm to slappy dappy doo
Notre Dame vs Maryland might be the best one yet
The MD goal to make it 12-12 was perfect.
The MD goal to make it 12-12 was perfect.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 9:02 pm to Keys Open Doors
I really cannot remember a weekend of NCAA quarterfinals that were better than this weekend-from a lacrosse fan (even the most basic/beginning of lacrosse fan) perspective.
3 OT games!!! Absoultely beautiful! Sets up a really fantastic Final 4 for next weekend. Set your DVRs!
3 OT games!!! Absoultely beautiful! Sets up a really fantastic Final 4 for next weekend. Set your DVRs!
Posted on 5/23/21 at 9:28 pm to forever lsu30
That Maryland-Notre Dame game might have been the best game I watched since the 2010 Duke-UVA semifinal.
Almost had an All ACC Final 4, which isn’t surprising considering how good the whole conference has been this year.
Today’s loss is the first out of conference loss for an ACC team besides Syracuse all year.
I truly have no clue what will happen but if I had to guess, I would go with a Duke-UNC rubber match.
Almost had an All ACC Final 4, which isn’t surprising considering how good the whole conference has been this year.
Today’s loss is the first out of conference loss for an ACC team besides Syracuse all year.
I truly have no clue what will happen but if I had to guess, I would go with a Duke-UNC rubber match.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 12:36 am to Keys Open Doors
I've gone down a deep rabbit hole of Maryland lacrosse from the last 5 years. They are unreal, both men's & women's (though they have had a ridiculously rare year this year/covid). Coach Tillman may be 1 of the most impressive coaches in terms of his work/life balance & ability to recruit the best of the best to enroll in College Park.
I've seen the money argument on here a handful of times but if & when the SEC ever goes all in on lacrosse (either but hopefully both men's & womens) the blue chip lacrosse programs are DONE. All of these facilities, rabid fan bases, the SECN, & warm Spring weather will be unstoppable.
I've seen the money argument on here a handful of times but if & when the SEC ever goes all in on lacrosse (either but hopefully both men's & womens) the blue chip lacrosse programs are DONE. All of these facilities, rabid fan bases, the SECN, & warm Spring weather will be unstoppable.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 5:15 am to slappy dappy doo
They won’t ever have a men’s lacrosse program due to title 9.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 6:23 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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They won’t ever have a men’s lacrosse program due to title 9.
Utah, Hampton, Jacksonville, Cleveland State, & others have debunked this in the last decade. All it takes is $$$.
Utah had a Booster stroke a check for $15M.
The SEC could fund both men's & women's lacrosse for 5 years, each, with their cut from 1 year's worth of their ABC/ESPN/SECN pay outs.
Less than a decade ago, Florida created the start up funds for their wlax program with all the proceeds from a single home non-conference football game. The cuts from tv + radio, tickets, parking, concessions + apparel sales, & even promoted a direct donations drive for that game week. The promoted their club team & within 3 years they hosted a home post-season game.
When you consider that basically all 14 SEC schools have a soccer facility that can be upgraded/retro fit to also house lacrosse (with soccer being a fall sport & those facilities basically not getting used in the spring as it is), they all have rabid sports fan bases who could also work to package big baseball + softball tailgating weekends together, + plenty of air time to fill in the Spring on SECN (the less Pawwwllll the better IMO), & all the schools are actually affordable for out of state/non scholarship players to fill up a 40-50+ man roster = lacrosse CAN basically be a break-even sport for SEC school. Far better off than women's basketball + gymnastics. NCAA D1 lacrosse allots for a max of 12.6 scholarships (same as baseball). So lacrosse splits a bunch of partial schollys + takes in all the out of state money they can get. Lacrosse teams boast among the highest incoming grades + graduates rates along with team alumni donations across team sports that aren't football.
The REAL hurdle is athletic department simply committing to designating the personnel + resources to get things going.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 7:38 pm to forever lsu30
Utah, Michigan, Ohio State are all great examples of what you could do with more resources. They all were MCLA squads when I was in college and now they're D1. Same with Denver. Total debunking that you have to be an East Coast school.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 7:56 pm to wutangfinancial
The biggest issue is going to be recruiting top tier players.
While the sport is getting wider access, the top prospects are still disproportionately from Long Island, the suburbs of Philly and Boston, and the area from Baltimore to Richmond, VA.
Factor in that excluding some Iroquois players, there are less than 10 guys in the world who make a real living from playing professional lacrosse.
That way, it’s almost the exact opposite of college football recruiting. The talent is far away and no one is making their college decision based on pro prospects.
The Big 10 is a much more logical choice to encroach on the traditional powers or the new school powers, and they still haven’t gotten a ton of traction yet.
While the sport is getting wider access, the top prospects are still disproportionately from Long Island, the suburbs of Philly and Boston, and the area from Baltimore to Richmond, VA.
Factor in that excluding some Iroquois players, there are less than 10 guys in the world who make a real living from playing professional lacrosse.
That way, it’s almost the exact opposite of college football recruiting. The talent is far away and no one is making their college decision based on pro prospects.
The Big 10 is a much more logical choice to encroach on the traditional powers or the new school powers, and they still haven’t gotten a ton of traction yet.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 8:31 pm to Keys Open Doors
I don't know about that. The Arizona, Colorado and California kids are talented. I used to play against kids from Maryland/DC and the West Coast kids seemed to be close. Their rosters just never had 25 Div 1 kids. I don't think Lacrosse is really a draw because there's no scholarships available so those west coast kids are just not choosing to play. They just need to get sticks in hands at a younger age to develop the same as the East Coast kids.
Perfect example of program development is Penn State. I was good enough to consider walking on there back when I was in school and now there's no way in hell a younger me could sniff that roster.
Perfect example of program development is Penn State. I was good enough to consider walking on there back when I was in school and now there's no way in hell a younger me could sniff that roster.
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:09 pm to forever lsu30
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Utah had a Booster stroke a check for $15M.
Heck, the OT could have that by the time lunch ends on Tuesday. Let's make it happen.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:40 pm to Keys Open Doors
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he biggest issue is going to be recruiting top tier players.
While the sport is getting wider access, the top prospects are still disproportionately from Long Island, the suburbs of Philly and Boston, and the area from Baltimore to Richmond, VA.
Factor in that excluding some Iroquois players, there are less than 10 guys in the world who make a real living from playing professional lacrosse.
That way, it’s almost the exact opposite of college football recruiting. The talent is far away and no one is making their college decision based on pro prospects.
The Big 10 is a much more logical choice to encroach on the traditional powers or the new school powers, and they still haven’t gotten a ton of traction yet.
So much quality insight in this post. There is so much talent up north that LSU, who just a few years ago, had a few players from Maryland, certainly elevated LSU's club status. Not only is there New England and Central Atlantic talent looking for a place to land other than the lower two thirds of a 75-man roster in the big D1 and D2 programs, there is true talent emerging from right here in the south looking for local options.
Here's hoping the SEC schools, which are very competitive now, can make the conversion to NCAA status.
Not saying that if LSU became D1 this year that they would be suddenly equal to Maryland D1 this year. But it is time for big southern schools with big athletic budgets to bring lacrosse into the fold and stake a stand.
Lead, or get the hell out of the way.
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 5/25/21 at 12:21 am to Keys Open Doors
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While the sport is getting wider access, the top prospects are still disproportionately from Long Island, the suburbs of Philly and Boston, and the area from Baltimore to Richmond, VA.
Factor in that excluding some Iroquois players, there are less than 10 guys in the world who make a real living from playing professional lacrosse.
That way, it’s almost the exact opposite of college football recruiting. The talent is far away and no one is making their college decision based on pro prospects.
The Big 10 is a much more logical choice to encroach on the traditional powers or the new school powers, and they still haven’t gotten a ton of traction yet.
I agree wuthering you to a point because there is a lot to unpack here.
Re: prospects origination
On a conservative year, Long Island (which for those that don't know Long Island NY is to lacrosse as HS fball is to TX) produces approximately 165 D1 prospects to D1 rosters. Well, in each of the last 3 years the cities/areas of DFW, Austin, & Houston have produced at least 25 D1 Rosters prospects. CO sent another 12+ & CA is sending g damn near 20+. Which is really impressive to get kids to leave CA for the entire cross country trip. Oregon & Washington are even producing D1. FL & GA have also seen an absolute explosion in HS participation & thus their D1 talent emerge..
I say all that to say this: if SEC schools open the doors to lacrosse = top prospects will flow in. Both regionally & from the hot beds. They've stayed in the NE for the last 100 years because they had nowhere else to go to play. But the country is opening up. The Athletics Wars are a huge recruiting tool.
Re: Making a living off of pro lacrosse
Those in the lacrosse world know the pro realities. That said, the PLL has opened a world of players ALL earning approx. $35k/season. When you tackle on their earnings from camps/clinics using their name & any college, HS, or travel club coaching &/or teaching they're doing & you get a whole host of dudes bringing in an easy $100,000. They don't have an office/9-5.
Now you consider the Ivy league & top financial colleges dudes from Duke/UVA/Georgetown/etc they're working those jobs & traveling 3 day weekends in season making a fine life for themselves. Lacrosse is decades away from guys making millions but this new generation is cool with a $100 Gs or more out of college/in their 20s.
The Big 10 has their conference & those schools are already reaping rewards. Ohio State, Rutgers, & Maryland have had a team for decades, now Michigan & Penn St are for the last decade or so & THRIVING with 40+ dudes on their Rosters & plenty more walk on there just to be a part of it all. The sport needs the SEC to jump in for the ACC & Big 10 to complete their natural conference schools to have to add on to keep whatever hold on the sport they can for the region. Because we all know when those kids get to enjoy SEC football life & then the best Spring weather of their young lives = it's all National Championship runs thru SEC like football & baseball.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 5:49 am to forever lsu30
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Utah, Hampton, Jacksonville, Cleveland State, & others have debunked this in the last decade. All it takes is $$$.
Sure, but you're not just creating a men's sport. You also have to add in a women's sport to offset the creation of a men's team. They're not going to do that.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 6:17 am to Keys Open Doors
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no one is making their college decision based on pro prospects.
This
I feel like these kids end up working on Wall Street
And most of these kids go to schools that Wall Street also recruits from
Posted on 5/25/21 at 11:35 am to I Bleed Garnet
Well, ya. You think they're going to waste their elite degrees they had to pay for while having a full time D1 job. Way more upside in the white collar career path.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 12:21 pm to wutangfinancial
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Well, ya. You think they're going to waste their elite degrees they had to pay for while having a full time D1 job. Way more upside in the white collar career path.
I don’t think the Belmont Hill or Saint Paul’s kids care about that
Guys will play as long as they can.
This post was edited on 5/25/21 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 5/25/21 at 12:25 pm to wutangfinancial
One of my BiLs was an All American goalie and twice drafted in to the MLL. He played a couple of years, only on the weekends and b/c he still loved the game, certainly not for the money. He and all his teammates are in the banking financial world, save one who went on to coaching.
Lacrosse will always be a country club sport, the blue blood colleges will always be around, b/c those are the schools these kids want to attend. High end prep/private high schools, or upper class suburbia, good academic college and off to the financial world. Nothing wrong w/ that.
Lacrosse will always be a country club sport, the blue blood colleges will always be around, b/c those are the schools these kids want to attend. High end prep/private high schools, or upper class suburbia, good academic college and off to the financial world. Nothing wrong w/ that.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 12:34 pm to slappy dappy doo
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if & when the SEC ever goes all in on lacrosse (either but hopefully both men's & womens) the blue chip lacrosse programs are DONE.
LOL no.
Are there SEC programs that could be competitive? Sure, but the ACC schools, Maryland, Ivies, etc aren’t going anywhere.
ETA: While the sport is growing, its popularity in the south is unlikely to ever reach what it is currently in the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast. It’s highly unlikely that Georgia, Florida, etc. can convince enough kids from Maryland, New York, PA, VA etc. to bypass UVA, UNC, Duke, Syracuse, etc on a consistent enough basis to pass those programs competitively with any regularity.
This post was edited on 5/25/21 at 12:46 pm
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