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re: 2021 NCAA MLAX Championship Tourney: UVA 17 vs. MD 16. UVA = Champs (2 in a row)
Posted on 5/25/21 at 11:40 pm to PublixSubs
Posted on 5/25/21 at 11:40 pm to PublixSubs
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Lacrosse doesn’t need the SEC and the SEC doesn’t need lacrosse. It’s a niche sport, it’s awesome, but there’s no reason to expand the product when it’s great just as it is.
I argue that the SEC does need the sport & vice versa. The game is growing at the youth & HS levels at numbers never seen by comparison. And lately it's mostly due to CTE awareness. Just look at the decline in HS fball participation. TX HS FBALL has seen an 8-10% DECREASE in participation in the last 5 years on their rosters. Think about that - for an average TX HS FBALL roster that's 8-10+ players per year NOT playing football. They certainly go play SOMETHING. And signs are pointing towards lacrosse.
Additionally, the SEC schools need the "appearance" of increase their academic recruiting prowess to pry those prep school/Ivy league family money kids to their institutions. Follow the money...
Now, draw whatever conclusion from the follow that you wish:
ACCN draw MORE fans for their lacrosse games coverage than ACC baseball, softball, & womens bball, individually (not combined). Now, I'm fully aware & love that SEC Baseball is a massive viewership draw for SECN, but you add more eyes for a full contact sport in the Spring & the SECN numbers just explode. SOMEONE will make it happen in maybe 5-10+ years, but it'll happen & everyone will sit back & wonder why they never did it sooner. I agree with whoever else said it: there's only so many hours of Paul Finebuam & SEC Now people can stand. There's PLENTY of hours to fill on SECN. a 2 hour lacrosse game (mens or womens) is absolutely the sport to do it.
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Posted on 5/26/21 at 6:20 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Eh no. Those teams are losing 15-8. I don’t see Salisbury or the others aren’t keeping up like that to Mercer or Jacksonville.
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Tufts beat the shite out of Dartmouth this year. W&L beats VMI more often than not, etc.
The D1 vs D3 differential is way different in lacrosse than other sports.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 6:27 am to forever lsu30
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like I mentioned in the last post - it's already happening in droves on the women's lax side & it has begun to see major impact in men's: Jacksonville, Mercer, High Point (beat Duke in regular season last year), Utah, etc.
I’m not talking about winning a game here or there. I’m talking about legitimately competing for a title. You need to be signing multiple top 10/20 guys per year and entire classes in or near the top 100. Those schools aren’t close to doing that, and SEC schools will struggle to do that with any consistency as long as UVA, UNC, Duke, etc. exist. SEC schools aren’t the only ones with resources and nice facilities.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 6:29 am to forever lsu30
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Ivies are already dropping off.
An Ivy was in the most recent national championship game.
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Hell, they screwed 2 years worth of players due to canceling for Covid. The Ivies reminded everyone what they value & it's not athletics.
An Ivy education can convince a lot of parents to overlook that. Some people would rightly be impressed by their stress on education over athletics.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 7:06 am to forever lsu30
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Paying for your kid to play high level prospect lacrosse & pay for whatever D1 school they get recruited by is a far cry cheaper than bribing the Ivy Leagues or their own alma maters to accept their kids.
So you’re saying kids that actually play lacrosse aren’t going to go to schools that would be reaches if they didn’t play lacrosse because of the college admissions fraud?
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Then they graduate & get into grad school
This is completely false
You do not need grad school to get the jobs they are getting out of college
And if they do, they go back and get their MBA while they’ve had a few years of work experience
Posted on 5/26/21 at 7:08 am to forever lsu30
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best prospects are choosing Florida & Vandy over the blue bloods/country club lifestyle. And they're succeeding on the field & in their major fields of
From looking at women’s lacrosse recruit rankings this doesn’t seem true at all
Of all the 5 stars one girl chose Florida
The rest are the usual suspects
Posted on 5/26/21 at 7:12 am to forever lsu30
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The Ivies reminded everyone what they value & it's not athletics.
And that’s why these people choose Ivy League schools
Lacrosse gets them in, when they wouldn’t have been able to without it
Posted on 5/26/21 at 7:34 am to I Bleed Garnet
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From looking at women’s lacrosse recruit rankings this doesn’t seem true at all
Of all the 5 stars one girl chose Florida
The rest are the usual suspects
A good proxy IMO for SEC schools in terms of recruiting pull and resources on the men’s side are the non-traditional B1G schools (OSU, Mich, PSU). You could debate whether PSU even counts since it’s the state school for a major, established hotbed in Philly. Of the 5* 2021 and 2022 recruits (44 players) per Inside Lacrosse, those three programs each have one commitment. For comparison, UNC has 8, UVA has 6, Duke has 5, Maryland has 5, Cuse 3, ND 3, etc. The rest are at Ivies, Georgetown, Hopkins, etc.
This post was edited on 5/26/21 at 7:38 am
Posted on 5/26/21 at 7:55 am to Crowknowsbest
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B1G schools (OSU, Mich, PSU). You could debate whether PSU even counts since it’s the state school for a major, established hotbed in Philly.
Even though Michigan isn’t a Blue Blood, i think they can grow because of their schools academic prestige
Their business school is ranked very high, May even be top 5
And their undergrad normally has a ton of wealthy kids from the mid-Atlantic who end up working in finance
This post was edited on 5/26/21 at 7:56 am
Posted on 5/26/21 at 8:07 am to forever lsu30
Lacrosse will continue to replace football for white families.
I also expect the SEC will go all in, there are so many kids playing now.
I also expect the SEC will go all in, there are so many kids playing now.
This post was edited on 5/26/21 at 8:12 am
Posted on 5/26/21 at 8:17 am to I Bleed Garnet
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Even though Michigan isn’t a Blue Blood, i think they can grow
For sure. I think they initially screwed up in the transition by sticking with their club coach in the move to D1 and keeping a lot of their club roster intact. If it were me, I’d have been running a national coaching search and hunting as many transfers as possible in the transition. Long term, they have great academics and also have a good regional base and great access to Canada.
I think a new program that could really shake things up is Stanford. UCLA, USC, Cal, Texas, Colorado, and maybe Florida in a tier below that.
In terms of SEC schools, I think UF would clearly have a leg up followed by Vandy, A&M (especially if they beat UT to the punch) and Georgia. I’m not sure UF could be near-term competitive with the blue bloods, though.
This post was edited on 5/26/21 at 8:37 am
Posted on 5/26/21 at 8:36 am to Lima Whiskey
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Lacrosse will continue to replace football for white families.
I really don’t believe this
Unless you mean upper class white families.
But I’d say a large majority don’t play football as it is
Posted on 5/26/21 at 8:43 am to I Bleed Garnet
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But I’d say a large majority don’t play football as it is
Lacrosse was seen as a safe and acceptable alternative to Football when I was growing up. I expect it will capture people who normally play football, but much more importantly, the kids who aren’t allowed to play football - because of safety concerns.
The really good players are smart though, you need to be able to see the field the way a QB does. And that’s true at every position.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 8:46 am to Lima Whiskey
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Lacrosse was seen as a safe and acceptable alternative to Football when I was growing up. I expect it will capture people who normally play football, but much more importantly, the kids who aren’t allowed to play football - because of safety concerns.
The really good players are smart though, you need to be able to see the field the way a QB does. And that’s true at every position.
Yes, but poor white kids will still play football
Posted on 5/26/21 at 8:51 am to I Bleed Garnet
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Yes, but poor white kids will still play football
Because it’s a way out? Or because they live in more traditional areas?
I expect college football will decline because fewer and fewer people are playing. There will come a time where it isn’t a way out. Lacrosse will be appealing because it is a warriors game, and it fills that niche that football does.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 9:05 am to Lima Whiskey
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Because it’s a way out? Or because they live in more traditional areas?
Both
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expect college football will decline because fewer and fewer people are playing. There will come a time where it isn’t a way out. Lacrosse will be appealing because it is a warriors game, and it fills that niche that football does.
I think it certainly will decline from the numbers we’ve seen, but in my lifetime Lacrosse won’t ever overtake it
For one, college football in D1 and 2 actually give full ride scholarships (of course the numbers are greater in D1 FBS than FCS and D2)
And even with the small percentage of college football players that go pro, the majority of kids that are big time recruits and sign onto a FBS school want to go pro, and that money far exceeds professional lacrosse
I think the upper and upper middle class demographic has already ditched football for other sports. But I don’t see the lower class demographic that can’t afford college do it in my life time
This post was edited on 5/26/21 at 9:06 am
Posted on 5/26/21 at 9:13 am to I Bleed Garnet
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Yes, but poor white kids will still play football
And all the while the lacrosse world is making it more affordable each year to play lacrosse. I've seen that youth equipment bundle shared in recent lacrosse threads on here that's a full set of gear, including a stick + helmet for less than $200! Guess what? That's incredibly cheaper than the cost to equip a football team. Have you seen the latest cost for football helmets & shoulder pads? Not to mention the recertification of that equipment during it's warranty/coverage lifespan?
USA Lacrosse (weird to type that out rather than US Lacrosse since the new name change) is making major headway with team start up equipment grants & negotiating massive equipment deals for inner city & rural area teams starting up.
Without making unnecessary racist jokes; can you imagine the likes of South Louisiana public HS with majority black enrollment getting lacrosse grants & fielding a team of some football crossover players & anyone else who can keep grades up/make the team? They would destroy the all white squads after a few years of even decently coached consistency.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 9:20 am to I Bleed Garnet
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From looking at women’s lacrosse recruit rankings this doesn’t seem true at all
Of all the 5 stars one girl chose Florida
The rest are the usual suspects
You realize & acknowledge that lacrosse, boys & girls, recruit rankings are as flawed as any in the sports world, far below the "accuracy" of fball, bball, & baseball, right?
You have to look at ranking of players from a much deeper dive/more factors than goals, assists, speed, & the other basics. The OP foreverlsu30 hit the nail on the head discussing burn out. These fragile white kids are getting high rankings in their middle schools years that they just fizzle by the time their peers catch up in size, weight, speed. Don't forget we are less than a generation removed from where prospects were committing to top college lax programs in 8th & 9th grade! The last 5 years worth of recruiting rules changes has been a substantial leap forward in recruiting reality & results.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 9:25 am to slappy dappy doo
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And all the while the lacrosse world is making it more affordable each year to play lacrosse. I've seen that youth equipment bundle shared in recent lacrosse threads on here that's a full set of gear, including a stick + helmet for less than $200! Guess what? That's incredibly cheaper than the cost to equip a football team. Have you seen the latest cost for football helmets & shoulder pads? Not to mention the recertification of that equipment during it's warranty/coverage lifespan?
USA Lacrosse (weird to type that out rather than US Lacrosse since the new name change) is making major headway with team start up equipment grants & negotiating massive equipment deals for inner city & rural area teams starting up.
Without making unnecessary racist jokes; can you imagine the likes of South Louisiana public HS with majority black enrollment getting lacrosse grants & fielding a team of some football crossover players & anyone else who can keep grades up/make the team? They would destroy the all white squads after a few years of even decently coached consistency.
Not much to do with what I had said about college
Basically lacrosse has this “fraternity” like relationship with Wall Street
That’s why those kids go there, now if pro lacrosse started paying more, this could definitely change, but I’m not sure we will see that happen yet (the MLS has been around for 20+Years and still plays those guys nothing)
Posted on 5/26/21 at 9:29 am to slappy dappy doo
I’m sorry I thought Florida was a club team in women’s lacrosse
For the sake of women’s sports , I have no fricking clue nor do I care.
I take back what I said, but as someone said more top recruits are turning down scholarships and acceptance into a top tier university to play club at an SEC school I find that very hard to believe
You just don’t turn down the acceptance to Duke or UNC along with some money to attend, to play club lacrosse. Unless you use that as a spring board to then transfer into a D1 program
Especially with the connections the D1 lacrosse “fraternity” offers to you when you graduate
For the sake of women’s sports , I have no fricking clue nor do I care.
I take back what I said, but as someone said more top recruits are turning down scholarships and acceptance into a top tier university to play club at an SEC school I find that very hard to believe
You just don’t turn down the acceptance to Duke or UNC along with some money to attend, to play club lacrosse. Unless you use that as a spring board to then transfer into a D1 program
Especially with the connections the D1 lacrosse “fraternity” offers to you when you graduate
This post was edited on 5/26/21 at 9:31 am
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