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re: 2019 Kentucky Derby
Posted on 5/5/19 at 6:30 pm to Cheese Grits
Posted on 5/5/19 at 6:30 pm to Cheese Grits
Some weekend warrior horseplayers here
U cannot clip another horse and impede their momentum and not come down. Textbook. Yes it sucks the best horse did not win, guess what welcome to every horse players real life scenario at least once e wet two weeks
I find it funny no one is talking bout the oaks where the same thing happened and a jockey and horse fell
U cannot clip another horse and impede their momentum and not come down. Textbook. Yes it sucks the best horse did not win, guess what welcome to every horse players real life scenario at least once e wet two weeks
I find it funny no one is talking bout the oaks where the same thing happened and a jockey and horse fell
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 6:36 pm to vodka
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Some weekend warrior horseplayers here
Honestly, isn't that most horse racing fans these days? I tried very hard to get into it several years back, gave it my best effort and it was fun, but the fact is that I'm a gambler first and horse racing fan 2nd, and I really sucked at the gambling part when it came to horse racing. I didn't grow up around it so I don't have the historical knowledge that I do with other sports and all the data provided for each race was just too much for me to comprehend and analyze. I usually still watch the Derby, but accidently fell asleep yesterday afternoon and missed the whole damn thing.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:33 pm to vodka
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Some weekend warrior horseplayers here
Is there a mouse in your pocket?
I know my background and it is well more than weekend warrior.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:35 pm to supadave3
Someone posted above that commentator Paul Lo Duca has complained about such DQs in the past.
He was on FS2 today and was adamantly in favor of the DQ.
He even made the case that it could have impacted the 20 because War of a Will, if not blocked, might have tested Maximum Security earlier in the stretch and worn him down to allow the 20 to run a legit first. Speculative, but you never know.
He was on FS2 today and was adamantly in favor of the DQ.
He even made the case that it could have impacted the 20 because War of a Will, if not blocked, might have tested Maximum Security earlier in the stretch and worn him down to allow the 20 to run a legit first. Speculative, but you never know.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:46 pm to Double Oh
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people who are complaining that the horse should NOT have been taken down obvisiously do not know horse racing and the rules of horse racing plain and simple.
Been involved with it from walking a hot to breeding and raising sales prospects.
You’re out of your league here kid.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:49 pm to tigerinthebueche
If you a walking horses till they get hot so you can engage in sexual congress in the hopes of monetary gain from the offspring the OTL is for you.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:50 pm to Ace Midnight
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But the rules are the rules.
Yes I understand that. Doesn’t mean I agree with it. And as much as it’s up to human interpretation I think they got it wrong.
No difference. I suffered neither profit or loss from this. The industry will continue regardless. JMO, they got it wrong.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 8:15 pm to tigerinthebueche
During the replay review, all the so-called "expert commentators" and former jockeys all said that Maximum Security should only be DQ'd if he had impeded Country House (ergo if Country House was in War of Will's situation) - since the runner-up had a clean trip they all thought the result should stand.
And War of Will's jockey said yes he had to check up but that his horse was cooked regardless.
There needs to be more conversation with the jockeys in the review to come to a fair conclusion.
And War of Will's jockey said yes he had to check up but that his horse was cooked regardless.
There needs to be more conversation with the jockeys in the review to come to a fair conclusion.
This post was edited on 5/5/19 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:30 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
LINK
I've heard a few people comment about Gaffalione saying War of Will was "cooked anyway" but I haven't seen or heard that interview. This article is from today and he certainly sounds confident his horse would have hit the board if his momentum hadn't been stopped.
I've heard a few people comment about Gaffalione saying War of Will was "cooked anyway" but I haven't seen or heard that interview. This article is from today and he certainly sounds confident his horse would have hit the board if his momentum hadn't been stopped.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:32 pm to 16Capt
lol
The other horses could not win, but he clearly cost some horses extra purse money, and again, u can’t do that
The other horses could not win, but he clearly cost some horses extra purse money, and again, u can’t do that
Posted on 5/5/19 at 10:29 pm to vodka
Been a fan of horse racing for a long time and spent a lot of time (and money) at the track and watching from home. There's no doubt the DQ was the correct call. Whether accidental or intentional to block a couple lanes, it certainly impacted other horses and almost caused what could have been a really nasty spill. I was just commenting that I haven't heard the 1's jockey say the horse was done. Both before and in the turn War of Will looked dynamic and possibly was the best horse in the race. To say that no other horse could have won doesn't make a lot of sense.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 11:57 pm to tigerinthebueche
I'm in agreement with you. As a matter of fact, this happened at Santa Anita today, and the steward's decision here is what in my opinion should have happened yesterday in the Derby (link is to Twitter)
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 7:52 am to 16Capt
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There's no doubt the DQ was the correct call.
Actually there is a shite ton of debate all over the world on the issue as we speak.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 7:59 am to tigerpimpbot
The owner of the DQ horse was just on the Today Show. He's not running the horse in the Preakness. Says there is no hope for a Triple Crown, so he's taking his jacks home.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:11 am to tigerpimpbot
Most of the people who say the DQ was the wrong call do not know very much about horse racing.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:12 am to 16Capt
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Most of the people who say the DQ was the wrong call do not know very much about horse racing.
Do you really think you know more about horse racing than the President of the United States?
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:31 pm to Extremely Arrogant
What Bob Baffert had to say about the DQ:
Bob Baffert
In case you don't want to click the link, he said "No one calls an objection in the Derby… It’s always a roughly run race. Twenty-horse field. I have been wiped out numerous times, but that is the Derby. I can see by the book why they did it. Sometimes you’ve got to take your arse-kickings with dignity.”
Bob Baffert
In case you don't want to click the link, he said "No one calls an objection in the Derby… It’s always a roughly run race. Twenty-horse field. I have been wiped out numerous times, but that is the Derby. I can see by the book why they did it. Sometimes you’ve got to take your arse-kickings with dignity.”
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:49 pm to Extremely Arrogant
LOL. You got me
Posted on 5/6/19 at 1:04 pm to Clyde Tipton
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West said there wasn’t much jockey Luis Saez could do to control Maximum Security on a sloppy track.
“When you’re leg weary, you’re not going to run straight all the time,” he said. “Horses don’t either.”
Said Saez, “I never put anybody in danger.”
Trainer Jason Servis agreed with the jockey in the immediate aftermath and added, “He straightened him up right away and I didn’t think it affects the outcome of the race.”
That about sums it up.
One thing to fix the Derby is to no longer allow 20 horses.
I want to watch a horse race where the best horse has room to shine and can move freely.
I don't want to watch another fricking Calvary charge. Where the best horse can get boxed in and pinned and not allowed to run freely. I want to see who is the fastest, not which horse had the most favorable trip.
The race should be about the horse, not about the jockey and tactics and figuring out how to get some breathing room and avoiding all that traffic.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 5/6/19 at 1:05 pm to tigerinthebueche
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Been involved with it from walking a hot to breeding and raising sales prospects.
Same here and I’m on the other side of the argument. Am I also out of my league?
I also still stubbornly state that bayern’s arse should’ve been taken down in the classic and the only reason he wasn’t is the Baffert media darling angle.
I love how his rash of horses dropping dead in his barn was just swept under the rug
Most of the comments from people in the industry that I have seen also feel that it was the correct call. People who only watch racing 1 day a year so have no clue that a dq can and often does exist? Extremely upset about a race they’ve usually forgotten by now. So any publicity is good publicity?
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 1:08 pm
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