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re: 2019 Kentucky Derby
Posted on 5/5/19 at 11:37 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 5/5/19 at 11:37 am to Ace Midnight
20 horses is too many, just asking for an accident
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 12:01 pm to ReauxlTide222
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There’s no possibility of a triple crown winner.
Country House for the most improbable Triple Crown in history BABY!
BOOK IT!!!
Posted on 5/5/19 at 12:07 pm to vodka
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vodka
I’m not sure I can find it now, but you did call an unlikely winner earlier this week. I remember
Posted on 5/5/19 at 12:56 pm to Ace Midnight
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Do you want to kill your sport? Because that's how you kill your sport.
But nothing happened. No horse was hurt. Nor a jockey. I agree that your scenario of multiple horses and riders down would be bad. But that didn’t happen here. The DQ was unnecessary.
Everything you’re describing as bad for the sport will still be at risk in the next race. You can’t avoid it on an open track with multiple horses competing.
If the foul would have been egregious ( plain to the naked eye sans slow mo replay), I wouldn’t bitch. But this was simply racing. I don’t see how you prevent the horse from reacting to the crowd noise or some other factor.
Every time the gates open there is a danger of horses and jockeys getting hurt. You just hope the cameras aren’t on when it happens.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 1:27 pm to tigerinthebueche
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But nothing happened.
Worst argument ever
You are sending the message
About a decade ago I was at a live basketball game and the refs were letting things go. One team was clearly dominate but they had the luxury of being the home team. About midway through the first half I leaned to the person with me and said if they did not make some calls somebody was going to get hurt. Sure enough, just before half the dominate home team was unnecessarily rough on a team that could not keep up with them and one of the visiting teams players wound up with a torn ACL that ended their season and their career.
Refs came back after the half and finally got control of the game but it was too late.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 2:12 pm to Monkeyboy
Well said. Context is important. The Ricky Rulebook’s on here don’t get that part of it.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 2:16 pm to Cheese Grits
I tried to find this again to link it but had no luck, but I read an article this morning that said that there have been similar instances to what Maximum Security did in the race yesterday in past Derby's and that things like this happen in nearly all Kentucky Derby races. The article even had examples from past years. Rarely do you have protests though because it's understood that it's going to happen due to the larger than normal field of horses and things like crowd noise, etc. It's almost unavoidable. And when there have been inquiries/protests (ie. Monarchos) it's never upheld. This is why I think the "nothing happened to the horses" argument is valid for the Kentucky Derby. This isn't some maiden or allowance race at the Fairgrounds. It's the Kentucky Derby. There should be different rules because there is no race like this one. Unless it's egregious there shouldn't be a DQ for "impeding another horse" as what was claimed against Maximum Security. How do you not impede another horse in a race this size? Nobody was beating Maximum Security yesterday. Also, like I said earlier, if Maximum Security was trained by someone like Bob Baffert or Todd Pletcher rather than Jason Servis there probably would have been no DQ.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 2:16 pm to tigerinthebueche
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But nothing happened. No horse was hurt. Nor a jockey. I agree that your scenario of multiple horses and riders down would be bad. But that didn’t happen here. The DQ was unnecessary.
Everything you’re describing as bad for the sport will still be at risk in the next race. You can’t avoid it on an open track with multiple horses competing.
If the foul would have been egregious ( plain to the naked eye sans slow mo replay), I wouldn’t bitch. But this was simply racing. I don’t see how you prevent the horse from reacting to the crowd noise or some other factor.
Every time the gates open there is a danger of horses and jockeys getting hurt. You just hope the cameras aren’t on when it happens.
The people who are complaining that the horse should NOT have been taken down obvisiously do not know horse racing and the rules of horse racing plain and simple.
This post was edited on 5/5/19 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 5/5/19 at 2:30 pm to Clyde Tipton
Tainted derby
Posted on 5/5/19 at 2:38 pm to Monkeyboy
If you watched the race and saw how far he popped out it was not like previous Derby's. Add in bad weather and potential the jockey has done it before and you need to make a statement.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 2:42 pm to Ancient Astronaut
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Tainted derby
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Ole Miss
Fat and stupid are no way to go thru life.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 2:44 pm to Ancient Astronaut
Ignorant one race fan
Posted on 5/5/19 at 2:53 pm to tigerinthebueche
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The DQ was unnecessary.
Dude, I'm not a professional and I felt I identified 2 potential fouls by that horse in less than 2 seconds. I had exactly zero surprise at any challenges and the DQ.
Now, I thought he just might have lost a place or 2 (or 3), but other than it being the derby, I had zero surprise at the result.
And the rules are in place heavily for safety. Now, might the jockey have been right and the horse just did WTF a 1200 lb horse was going to do? Sure. But the rules are the rules.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 2:57 pm to Pussykat
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20 horses is too many, just asking for an accident
I get that, just traditionally, this is a huge race and THE race for 3 year olds. Hell, it's THE race for "once-a-year" horseracing fans, but cutting it to 16 or so makes sense to me.
16 is still a lot. The fact we had so many big horses in that race yesterday makes 20 seem an even bigger number.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 3:57 pm to Ace Midnight
The horse that Maximum Security swerved in front of was War of Will, yet the group for this horse didn't even protest. The protests were filed by the jockeys of horses that weren't even affected by Maximum Security and stood to gain from the horses DQ. Again, as someone stated earlier, there are rules and then there is context.
This post was edited on 5/5/19 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 5/5/19 at 4:28 pm to SeeeeK
It’s fat drunk and stupid
Posted on 5/5/19 at 4:46 pm to Ancient Astronaut
I still don’t understand spent most all the time yesterday talking to jockeys and trainers and not owners.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 4:56 pm to Ancient Astronaut
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It’s fat, drunk, and stupid
FIFY
Posted on 5/5/19 at 6:13 pm to SeeeeK
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To be fair, there is little a 110lb jockey can do when a 1200lb horse wants to do something. They grab the reigns, and try to pull back.
I've seen a jockey standing up in reigns, pulling as hard as he can to slow a horse down, and the horse did what he wanted, jockey was just a passenger.
And an out of control horse can be penalized...
Posted on 5/5/19 at 6:26 pm to Cheese Grits
Was texting while driving
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