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re: 2018 World Series of Poker Main Event...winner gets $8.8 million
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:15 pm to rolltide32
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:15 pm to rolltide32
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went all in with middle pair when his oppenent had top 2 pair
Not full context.
Ivey was trying to represent a flush. Stupid spot because he opponent didn't really have equity to fold.
Ivey probably thought he could intimidate him to death
whatever he was trying to rep you dont go all in in that spot at that time but thats just me. He donked off all his chips trying rep a flush or whatever he was trying to rep. Why not a medium to nice size bet. If the guy calls Ivey still has chips.
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:24 pm to Double Oh
Exactly. Worst call I’ve ever seen Ivey make.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 11:31 pm to Double Oh
quote:
medium to nice size bet
Not an option to make this play for less than all in. Ivey had 650ish behind facing a bet around 200k if I recall correctly. It was either give up or if he thinks he can make the play he has to push. Clearly a mistake but it's not the worst play in the world
His opponent later said he knew Ivey either had the type of hand he had (99 midish pair type hand) that he turned into a bluff or a flush.
Having top two with the Q of spades as a blocker just meant there's no way he could fold.
There's a lot of solid but marginal hands Iveys play would have worked against against. It also would have worked against numerous weaker players with the same exact hand.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:28 am to rolltide32
So Joe Cada is still in this apparently
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:51 am to Byron Bojangles III
The Ivey play is probably not good overall, but it's also not as bad as it looks.
Anytime you bluff into a powerful hand you look silly, but the only way to avoid that is to never bluff, which is obviously terrible.
The guy lays down a lot of hands there, but top two pair isn't one of them.
Ivey thought he had a good spot for a big bluff and pulled the trigger and he was wrong. Nobody bats 1.000
Given Ivey's skill and stack size, he was probably better off not making such a high variance play.
Anytime you bluff into a powerful hand you look silly, but the only way to avoid that is to never bluff, which is obviously terrible.
The guy lays down a lot of hands there, but top two pair isn't one of them.
Ivey thought he had a good spot for a big bluff and pulled the trigger and he was wrong. Nobody bats 1.000
Given Ivey's skill and stack size, he was probably better off not making such a high variance play.
This post was edited on 7/10/18 at 12:52 am
Posted on 7/10/18 at 6:38 am to PEPE
It went check, check on the turn so Ivey thought villain’s hand was capped. Then after checking the river, villain bets. Ivey took that arse thin value(Qx) and turned his hand into a bluff.
But Ivey’s play that can be exploited if someone decided to check back the turn with nutted hand(for balance). I think turn is 8s which puts 3 spades on the board.
But Ivey’s play that can be exploited if someone decided to check back the turn with nutted hand(for balance). I think turn is 8s which puts 3 spades on the board.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:07 pm to Double Oh
7:00-10:00pm CT tonight...on ESPN
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:10 pm to Chicken
fwiw the final last year or the year before went until like 5:30 am central.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 6:49 pm to PeteRose
Whoa... Open the thread and find actual poker analysis.
God I hate MTT structures though and the math involved. I just play MTT's by feel, then get lucky or bounced out, then take my happy arse back to the cash games where I belong.
God I hate MTT structures though and the math involved. I just play MTT's by feel, then get lucky or bounced out, then take my happy arse back to the cash games where I belong.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 8:02 pm to EarlyCuyler3
Kelly Minkin gets in her own way it seems. She plays solid, then makes bone head bluffs.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 8:15 pm to rolltide32
quote:
Ivey was trying to represent a flush.
a straight is more likely
quote:
he opponent didn't really have equity to fold.
that's about his lowest distribution to make that call
Posted on 7/10/18 at 8:20 pm to Double Oh
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whatever he was trying to rep you dont go all in in that spot at that time
quote:
whatever he was trying to rep you dont go all in in that spot at that time
villain capped his range on the turn and Ivey blocked the straights holding 50% of the 9s
all the draws came in (although the flush is unlikely). it's highly unlikely villain has any of them (B/c his range is capped by the turn check) and Ivey can have all the straights and a few flushes (like baby flushes, but they lead at some point)
Posted on 7/10/18 at 8:24 pm to PeteRose
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But Ivey’s play that can be exploited if someone decided to check back the turn with nutted hand(for balance).
i thought about this a lot. nut flush is the one hand he can trap with. think villain goes bigger on the river to polarize his range
*ETA: my mind may be warped watching too much live at the bike, though. i know tournaments play smaller so 2/3 pot could be an overbet
This post was edited on 7/10/18 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 7/10/18 at 8:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
A lot of times when you have a nutted hand, all you can get is one street of value. So let's say that Villain had Asxs and he put Ivey on J10, 1010, Q9....You can't really expect to Ivey to call turn and river if his hand don't improve(which will be the majority of the time).
So a lot of times it's ok to chk back on the turn with the nuts to get river value.
So a lot of times it's ok to chk back on the turn with the nuts to get river value.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 8:42 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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then get lucky or bounced out, then take my happy arse back to the cash games where I belong
fits 99% of the players.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 8:45 pm to PeteRose
when i was thinking about a trapped nut flush, i started thinking what he'd 3 bet with from the HJ and bet about 1/3 pot on flop
AK, AQ (? with TPTK on flop?), AT, A3, A4, A5?
you can really grind those combos down 3bettng from the HJ
AK, AQ (? with TPTK on flop?), AT, A3, A4, A5?
you can really grind those combos down 3bettng from the HJ
Posted on 7/10/18 at 8:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
definitely AK, AQ, KQ. Ace small suited is better three bet or fold vs calling(IMO).
Posted on 7/10/18 at 8:58 pm to PeteRose
yeah you'd have to have some suited connectors for balance but it's ambitious from the hijack
but
he fricking 3bet QJo from the hijack so he's probably not thinking too hard
but
he fricking 3bet QJo from the hijack so he's probably not thinking too hard
Posted on 7/10/18 at 9:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
he fricking 3bet QJo from the hijack
yeah, very ambitious play.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 9:01 pm to Double Oh
Nick Schulman is a weird guy to have on tv
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