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10th Planet jiu-jitsu prodigy injuring people. Should Eddie Bravo get called out?

Posted on 11/24/22 at 5:21 am
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 11/24/22 at 5:21 am
16 year old kid, in the 10th Planet system, Pat Shahgholi (sp?), is a prodigy and very talented.

However, he's snapping limbs and injuring people. youtube short discussing this

Generally when you get someone in a joint lock you apply pressure and give them a chance to tap and end the match. Apparently this kid doesn't do that, people are getting hurt, and it appears he simply goes about trying to injure people intentionally.

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is associated mostly with the Gracie family. 10th Planet is a system of jiu-jitsu created by Eddie Bravo, who is a wizard and has beaten the best the Gracie family has to offer. He's a close friend of Joe Rogan.

This type of behavior seems wildly inappropriate in this sport. Should Eddie Bravo step in and toss this guy from 10th Planet? Should this kid and his coaches get banned?

I know a lot of people aren't into this stuff, but there's a few out there, so I'm curious what people have to say.

Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/24/22 at 5:57 am to
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Should Eddie Bravo step in and toss this guy from 10th Planet? Should this kid and his coaches get banned?
frick you pussy. How about talk to the kid and explain why, although hopefully being able to execute some form of hold to the level you can completely incapacitate an opponent if needed, it isn’t necessary to do so in a sporting match. Basically talk to the fricking kid before you toss him out or ban him

Also with things like this what goes around comes around. He can learn the hard way why you don’t try to hurt people at events like this when someone’s buddy who he’s hurt before gets him in an arm bar and he ends up walking around in a sling for 6 months
This post was edited on 11/24/22 at 5:59 am
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 11/24/22 at 6:53 am to
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frick you pussy.


I'm a pussy for asking this question? You think I'm asking this out of the blue, and that the BJJ world hasn't already started discussing this, to include making this dude aware that his act isn't appropriate?

Read these comments and tell me if you think the guy that created 10th Planet maybe ought to step in and address this.

Here are some comments about this dude after one match, and there are hundreds more just like these below, about this guy:

when you have control and you just pull a hard crank like that, you're potentially ending someone's career, needlessly. I understand cranking till it breaks if they don't tap, but there was no opportunity to tap, he went right to the break. Dick move.

Pat didn't need to rip it like that. Scumbag move imo.

Seemed like he tried to break it, didn't even give the guy a chance to tap wtf!

He had it locked in and chose to maim the guy instead of allow him to tap, then with the guy clearly in pain, he just celebrates and forgets the guy exists. I believe they are signing up for potential accidental severe injuries, not intentional ones. This guy is a stain on a beautiful sport

Once he has his first serious injury he will probably change his approach. Young and naive. And his coach is his dad so I could see him promoting this kind of behavior tbh. Like a dad at little league type vibes: " Go out there and frick him up son, at all costs."

I mean, he’s blown out x3 guys knees (one being in a house tournament in his own gym), this is one of the only Bjj guys I’ve seen continuously blowing peoples knee out, but at the same time I don’t know the answer to moderating it, I don’t think there is one

I think there definitely needs to be some kind of intervention on these kinds of actions. I mean imagine going up against this kid with no idea what’s coming. You’re used to guys giving you time to tap and all of a sudden this kid rips your leg apart. I mean you could be dealing with that kind of injury for the rest of your life. I see two main options for dealing with that type of behavior, ban the thing itself, or have some kind of dialogue and create an understanding that breaking someone’s leg in a competition is not cool… and this would have to be practiced throughout jiu jitsu, having an understanding that it’s not cool to be giving people these horrible injuries. Unless the attitude changes I think someone should ban this kid from competing, and if this becomes a trend ban techniques, and if it continues man frick it ban competition. Thats the price you pay for that kind of fricked up shite
Posted by Vidic
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 11/24/22 at 6:56 am to
Lol yeah let’s sit down a 16 year old and explain why breaking fricking arms is bad. Hey dipshit, he already knows breaking arms is bad. He doesn’t care

Eta didn’t even realize I was responding to retardsincebirth55. I feel stupid now

And to the op, just googled some and the kid seems to love it. Just another piece of shite in the world. Although if I looked like him I might be mad at the world too
This post was edited on 11/24/22 at 7:03 am
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
58341 posts
Posted on 11/24/22 at 6:57 am to
They should shoot him
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/24/22 at 7:59 am to
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frick you pussy.
That seems like a bit much



Idk what the shite I’m talking about here.

But


If we want kids to train and be good at this sport I do not think they should be snapping arms at this age. And definitely don’t do it when it isn’t needed.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 11/24/22 at 8:10 am to
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They should shoot him


There are comments out there like 'this is how you get jumped by 5 dudes walking out to your car'. He's making some people pretty angry.
Posted by TomballTiger
Htown
Member since Jan 2007
3970 posts
Posted on 11/24/22 at 9:18 am to
frick him and frick Joe Rogan.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
68316 posts
Posted on 11/24/22 at 9:59 am to
Somebody needs to break that punks arm
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
32766 posts
Posted on 11/24/22 at 10:53 am to
It's funny because he's a fat kid.
Posted by Forever
Member since Dec 2019
6252 posts
Posted on 11/24/22 at 11:03 am to
I think it’ll sort itself out. On one hand, don’t enter a no-gi competition if you don’t want to get your knee blown out, especially at black belt. I rip subs in competition because I’m finishing the match and keeping my limbs intact. 0% chance I’m “letting them have time to tap” at my own expense in a leglock exchange. 2 seconds is all it takes to go from “gotcha” to feeling your knee explode. Seems very Reddit-ish to be begging for this kid to be outright banned over that

It’s also way easier said than done to immobilize someone to the point that you can let them have time to tap in competition while someone is freaking the frick out trying to get out of whatever position you have them in. I’m not Gordon Ryan and I’m not putting myself at risk over someone I’ve never met and will never see again

On the other hand, at black belt, especially after you’ve made a name for yourself, it seems like most guys try to not rip heel hooks so they’ll get the same treatment in return. Someone is going to take this kid’s knee home with them sooner rather than later. He’s obviously a spastic, immature kid who’s just trying to win against adults, but he’ll learn eventually or quit Jiu jitsu because of the accumulation of injuries
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16665 posts
Posted on 11/24/22 at 11:04 am to
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frick Joe Rogan


What did Rogan do?

In a tournament it is your responsibility to protect yourself at all times, but sometimes shite happens fast. He is competing in the adult division which is usually 18-30, it is hard core. I would need to see a bit more of his rolls before condemning him.

I'm in Masters 3 (44 yrs old) and we all want to win, but go home in one piece, so we move a little slower and more deliberately.
Posted by 0
Member since Aug 2011
17101 posts
Posted on 11/24/22 at 11:05 am to
Maybe his opponents should tap faster if they don’t want their shite broke in half. Shouldn’t be on the kid to not go as hard as he can just because he is against people with little bird bones.
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
15178 posts
Posted on 11/24/22 at 11:20 am to
Just put him against Gordon. Let him sort it out.
Seriously though, he’ll get his if that’s his game. Even the GOAT gets tapped (though it hasn’t happened in quite some time)
Posted by Forever
Member since Dec 2019
6252 posts
Posted on 11/24/22 at 11:20 am to
quote:

Maybe his opponents should tap faster if they don’t want their shite broke in half. Shouldn’t be on the kid to not go as hard as he can just because he is against people with little bird bones

Your brain doesn’t have time to process that you’re in a heel hook before major damage happens, genius. I’m sure you would’ve tapped way faster than those guys who’ve been training for 15 years though
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
15178 posts
Posted on 11/24/22 at 11:21 am to
quote:

Maybe his opponents should tap faster if they don’t want their shite broke in half. Shouldn’t be on the kid to not go as hard as he can just because he is against people with little bird bones.


Yeah, I’d like to see if he’s continuing pressure after the tap or if it’s opponents refusing to tap
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
15178 posts
Posted on 11/24/22 at 11:23 am to
quote:

Someone is going to take this kid’s knee home with them sooner rather than later.

This
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
35253 posts
Posted on 11/24/22 at 12:12 pm to
If they don’t want leg locks due to injury precautions then they shouldn’t allow them in the competitions, otherwise it’s fair game, IMO. Some comps don’t allow leg locks.
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
23358 posts
Posted on 11/24/22 at 12:48 pm to
Eddie can control the activities of a single person?
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 11/24/22 at 1:19 pm to
Reading the comments on youtube and some comments here, I'll be surprised if he doesn't get banned, along with his dad, because there seems to be near universal disgust with this antics.

I'm hoping Eddie Bravo makes a statement. I'd really like to hear what he has to say.

Here are some parts of an article from ufc.com - I think he's going to get an ugly wake up before he's old enough to vote.

"Describing himself as a dangerous competitor as opposed to a dirty competitor, Shahgholi explains that his mindset going into every match, especially with hefty prize money on the line, is, ‘It’s either kill or be killed.’

“I love it. I love the hate,” Shahgholi said. “The next competition they’re going to keep seeing me for the rest of their time. They’re going to keep seeing me on their feed or YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, SnapChat, they’re just going to keep seeing me and they’re going to be mad. They’re mad at what I’m doing but they can’t stop that. They have to deal with it.”

“Gordon Ryan did just leg lock the EBI champion and I’m known as a dangerous leg locker, so Nicky Rod, he’s the champ,” Shahgholi laid out. “I think we’d be good for each other.”

“It was excitement and pure joy but also, after I did my celebration, I picked him up, helped him up, gave him a hug and made sure he was all right,” Shahgholi said. “I think people should obviously watch the whole video and match before commenting.”

You're not making sure someone is ok after you intentionally went about making him not ok. His comments don't even make sense. The 'kill or be killed' comment is probably going to help turn him into a meme.
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