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re: Yellen: Treasury will consider taxing unrealized capital gains

Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:48 pm to
Posted by Ross
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Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:48 pm to
I am so pessimistic on the future of this nation it’s not even funny
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
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Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:50 pm to
Trump had some mean tweets though!!!
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:50 pm to
Cryptos would become the last vestige of investment I think.

How the hell would this policy even work with a privately held business? The valuation on those things swing wildly depending on who you are talking to.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 11:08 pm
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:50 pm to
This is why we can't have nice things
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
Orlando, Florida
Member since Jan 2007
29863 posts
Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:52 pm to
This is why you vote against democrats. Holy shite thats terrible.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
75219 posts
Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:54 pm to
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I am so pessimistic on the future of this nation it’s not even funny


Then move
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:01 pm to
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she said that Treasury would consider the possibility of taxing unrealized capital gains - through a “mark-to-market” mechanism


Umm... that's going to require Congressional approval. That's not something that Treasury can just decide to do on their own.

HAVING SAID THAT...

Treasury for many years has wanted to reduce the differences between corporate tax earnings and corporate GAAP (financial statement) earnings. The tax vs GAAP rules allow companies to, probably, overstate financial earnings, and understate tax earnings.

Mark to Market would be horrific for individuals. For large C Corps... telling them that they have to unify their financial and their tax earnings... would be interesting. IRS has been collecting this data for a while now with the Schedule M-3.
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6218 posts
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:03 pm to
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Then move


It is deeper than that.


The left is about to use climate change, social justice and equality as weapons in the Fed.

The Fed has NO business in this arena....it suppresses the free flow of interest, cash and investments.

When you leverage yourself and control the rates...then arm yourself with the liberal arsenal, it is scary to think of the economic fallout.

Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:09 pm to
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Then move


if we move down a road of enforcing absolutely suicidal fiscal policy, I assuredly will.
Posted by Statsattack
Il
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Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:09 pm to
by may we will be in a depression
Posted by Dixie.Reb
Oxford
Member since Jul 2013
2381 posts
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:12 pm to
LINK

We literally had this discussion 2 weeks ago re: taxing capital gains as income. It only applies if you have gains > $1 million (article says millionaires and billionaires).

I don’t think this idea makes as much sense as taxing cap gains as income, but the chicken little schtick is getting old.

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by may we will be in a depression


From the OPs article: “ Wall Street stocks rose on Tuesday in reaction to Yellen’s call for a hefty stimulus package, as well as to positive bank earnings updates”
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 11:14 pm
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6218 posts
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:34 pm to
The Fed is being weaponized

In 2020, members of the board of governors or presidents of reserve banks gave 201 speeches. Of those, 22 addressed social justice, and inequality, climate change, etc.

They will bypass the constitution, have a weaponized Fed and go after everything owned by the middle and upper class...only the ultra wealthy and the poor will benefit.

Unfortunately , a large part of this nation is poor due to very questionable life choices.

Posted by PEEPO
Member since Sep 2020
1820 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 2:47 am to
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Who do these pieces of shite think they are?


Your masters. The ruling class views themselves every single bit the way old school monarchs used to. The rights and property you have you are allowed to have, by them.
Posted by bigblake
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 1/22/21 at 4:20 am to
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This post was edited on 1/31/21 at 11:52 pm
Posted by OldHickory
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2012
10602 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:12 am to
Does this mean Pedo Joe and his crack smoking son will have to pay more taxes on their illegal foreign deals?
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:29 am to
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The left is about to use climate change, social justice and equality as weapons in the Fed.

The Fed has NO business in this arena....it suppresses the free flow of interest, cash and investments.


Preach. This is classic big government oozing like slime into every possible crack and crevice it can get into. I suspect we are about to see a massive expansion of federal government power. The causes you named, as well as Covid, will be the seemingly well-intentioned excuses.
Posted by leeman101
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2020
1503 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:57 am to
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Trump had some mean tweets though!!!


Yea if this was to happen many of us might want to inject bleach in our veins.

This is worse than any mean tweet of Trump.
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13580 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 6:03 am to
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We literally had this discussion 2 weeks ago re: taxing capital gains as income. It only applies if you have gains > $1 million (article says millionaires and billionaires).




What happens when that isn’t enough?

Do you think millionaires and billionaires being forced to liquidate assets would be healthy for the economy?

What happens if a family run business does really well and appreciates “mark to market” $1,000,000 in value that year? Do they just have to sell it to pay the new tax?

I can’t believe there are people on this board dumb enough to try to defend this just because they think it doesn’t apply to them.
Posted by Fox McCloud
Member since Oct 2020
3525 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 6:11 am to
This would never work. You can’t tax me on a gain I haven’t yet made. What if I pay the taxes and then the stock tanks.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
13628 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 6:40 am to
I expect them to tax at the regular rate or increase the cap gain rate. This is not the first time this has been floated. There is also no expectation that you will be able to write off unrealized losses.
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