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Posted on 6/8/26 at 1:04 pm to JoeyP239
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You never make money unless you actually sell.
And you don't really lose money unless you sell.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 4:03 pm to RedlandsTiger
Not much of a bounce for me at least today....up less than 2% on IRA and down about 1/5% on brokerage due to NBIS pooping the bed.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 8:37 pm to RoyalWe
Volatility is great for trading and speculation. It’s not a great thing for the markets in general. That’s still true regardless of how amazing of a trader or “investor” you are.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 8:51 pm to TX_Tiger23
quote:I’m speaking from an individual investor’s viewpoint, not from the viewpoint of a business trying to raise capital or manage operations.
It’s not a great thing for the markets in general.
Yes, volatility creates uncertainty, risk, and friction for the average participant. But that doesn’t make volatility inherently bad. Volatility is harmful to the unprepared and useful to the prepared.
For someone with cash, discipline, a long horizon, and a system designed to exploit price swings, volatility can be a benefit rather than a problem. The key issue isn’t volatility itself; it’s whether the investor has enough reserve capacity and discipline to survive the downside without becoming a forced seller.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:14 pm to RoyalWe
Right. And I’m sure your “discipline” and “reserve capacity” have constantly had you outperforming the markets with the same beta for an extended period of time.
It’s fun to speak of our heroics when receipts aren’t required.
It’s fun to speak of our heroics when receipts aren’t required.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:18 pm to TX_Tiger23
You’re moving the goalposts.
I didn’t claim to be a market-beating hero, and I didn’t say volatility guarantees outperformance. I said volatility is not inherently bad for an individual investor who has cash, discipline, time, and reserve capacity.
That’s not a “receipts” claim. It’s basic market mechanics. Volatility punishes forced sellers and creates opportunity for investors who can buy, rebalance, or hold through dislocation.
If your point is that most people lack the discipline to benefit from it, then we agree. But that’s an argument about investor behavior, not an argument that volatility itself is bad.
EDIT: BTW, I'm not insensitive to your newly injected thought and am halfway through "The Missing Billionaires" by Haghani and White. So far it's mainly about mathematically sizing the risk so the volatility does not overwhelm the expected edge. I am currently reviewing the way I invest against their framework to determine if my rules-based system sizes the bet well enough to justify the volatility, drawdowns, path dependency, taxes, spending needs, and behavioral difficulty. I know it already checks most of these boxes -- the main one is the sizing of the investments as I dynamically change them.
I didn’t claim to be a market-beating hero, and I didn’t say volatility guarantees outperformance. I said volatility is not inherently bad for an individual investor who has cash, discipline, time, and reserve capacity.
That’s not a “receipts” claim. It’s basic market mechanics. Volatility punishes forced sellers and creates opportunity for investors who can buy, rebalance, or hold through dislocation.
If your point is that most people lack the discipline to benefit from it, then we agree. But that’s an argument about investor behavior, not an argument that volatility itself is bad.
EDIT: BTW, I'm not insensitive to your newly injected thought and am halfway through "The Missing Billionaires" by Haghani and White. So far it's mainly about mathematically sizing the risk so the volatility does not overwhelm the expected edge. I am currently reviewing the way I invest against their framework to determine if my rules-based system sizes the bet well enough to justify the volatility, drawdowns, path dependency, taxes, spending needs, and behavioral difficulty. I know it already checks most of these boxes -- the main one is the sizing of the investments as I dynamically change them.
This post was edited on 6/8/26 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:32 pm to RoyalWe
Market volatility is not a good thing. This is my original statement. It doesn’t mean lots of money can’t be made. It means it’s not a positive for the markets. A VIX in the 30s is not a good thing for the market, regardless of how much money is being made. In ‘08-09 a ton of money was made, but it wasn’t by the market…at least not until the volatility decreased.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:41 pm to TX_Tiger23
So I think we’re talking about two different things: volatility as a symptom of market stress versus volatility as a source of opportunity for prepared capital.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 9:19 am to RoyalWe
Y’all talk about the stock market as if it’s some benevolent god instead of what it really is: a pressure relief valve for the elites allowing them to debase the currency without personally suffering
Posted on 6/9/26 at 9:32 am to StonewallJack
Goldman sach pump and dump.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 9:51 am to lsu xman
Seems that something has caused a complete reversal this morning.....
Posted on 6/9/26 at 9:52 am to el Gaucho
quote:You know what the best hedge against inflation is? Being in the stock market.
Y’all talk about the stock market as if it’s some benevolent god instead of what it really is: a pressure relief valve for the elites allowing them to debase the currency without personally suffering
I'm sorry you feel so weak and helpless, but there is no issue in today's world that cannot be overcome to be successful. You can do something about it other than whine, which is the only thing I've ever seen from you. Anytime I see your name I know what you're going to say before you say it. Get your head straight and stop blaming other people, THE MAN, and the elites. There's plenty of prosperity out there. Go get some.
Otherwise, go to a different board to complain about your life. Get a job and save. The people on this board will help you get on the right track. If you're on this track already, then give it time. Most of your gains don't come until you've been doing it for decades and compounding interest takes over.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 10:11 am to RoyalWe
Royalwe… its el gaucho’s thing. He’s not serious. Not funny.. but not serious
Posted on 6/9/26 at 10:18 am to RoyalWe
I think I’m probably going to be ok over the long term but it’s always interesting how some posters want to exorcise the ghost of reason
This is a stock picking board on a forum for drunk Cajuns not the world economic forum
This is a stock picking board on a forum for drunk Cajuns not the world economic forum
Posted on 6/9/26 at 10:28 am to el Gaucho
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Y’all talk about the stock market as if it’s some benevolent god instead of what it really is: a pressure relief valve for the elites allowing them to debase the currency without personally sufferin
Who dat stock market is?
Households, retirement accounts, mutual funds and ETFs, pensions, insurers, foreign investors, sovereign funds, hedge fund and trading firms…
I called each of them. None of them are out to get you. Except a household guy named Louie. Said you never returned his 9/16” wrench that one time. Still pissed.
Life done to you mindset…Louie and El Gaucho. Can be better.
This post was edited on 6/9/26 at 10:31 am
Posted on 6/9/26 at 10:33 am to Everyday Is Saturday
How today started: “Hey! It’s gonna be a good one.”
How today is going: “Well shite”
Let’s see how it ends.
How today is going: “Well shite”
Let’s see how it ends.
This post was edited on 6/9/26 at 10:38 am
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