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re: What's your benchmark for retirement?
Posted on 9/23/23 at 10:51 am to bod312
Posted on 9/23/23 at 10:51 am to bod312
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Roth conversion ladders
I’m in year 3. How do the Feds know what $ is gains vs contributions? How do I know how much is available w/o 10% penalty before retirement? Called my broker….use less.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 10:56 am to TorchtheFlyingTiger
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while still working would likely fall in a higher bracket
Trying to take advantage of kids. And I’ll be in a higher bracket in the future
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exceeding income threshold
This is my limiting factor. I’ll move just enough to keep me from next bracket.
Edit- not exceeding income threshold but taxable income bracket.
This post was edited on 9/23/23 at 10:58 am
Posted on 9/23/23 at 9:02 pm to Kolbysfan
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I’m in year 3. How do the Feds know what $ is gains vs contributions? How do I know how much is available w/o 10% penalty before retirement? Called my broker….use less.
You have to keep every tax form for your Roth account until you are over age 59.5. If you take money from the Roth there is a form where you have to fill in all those numbers, i.e. total contributions, conversions, etc. Tax software will do it.
Edit: It's Federal Form 8606.
LINK
This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 11:18 am
Posted on 9/23/23 at 9:55 pm to tigerwith3
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but what is everyone doing for health insurance?
Fortunately, I go Tricare Prime at 60, then TFL (plus Medicare) at 65, so I've got a leg up there, as well.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:04 am to Thundercles
People should be starting companies so they’ll have free cash flow for as long as you want. Once you get there you’ll completely change your time on “retirement”.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:28 am to PlanoPrivateer
quote:The great Bob Brinker.
It is similar as a financial talk show host (whose name escapes me) that I used to listen to who called it critical mass.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:55 pm to RoyalWe
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The great Bob Brinker
I greatly miss him and his show.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 5:14 pm to BLM
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People should be starting companies so they’ll have free cash flow for as long as you want
This advice is often repeated but not realistic for a large portion of the population
Posted on 9/24/23 at 6:12 pm to Thundercles
Kids will be out of the house when I’m 51.
House will be paid off at 48. This is my true benchmark.
Wife and I max out HSA and 401k and have been for nearly a decade. She’ll also have a pension in the ballpark of 750k if she retires at 55.
At 48 I’ll genuinely begin considering retirement. I watched my grandad work 65 years only to have 8 in retirement. My mother in law worked 10 years after my FIL retired. He passed a year after she retired.
All that to say, I’m fast becoming more inclined to spend less time caring about my career and more inclined to enjoy myself on a personal level. Can’t get time back fellas.
House will be paid off at 48. This is my true benchmark.
Wife and I max out HSA and 401k and have been for nearly a decade. She’ll also have a pension in the ballpark of 750k if she retires at 55.
At 48 I’ll genuinely begin considering retirement. I watched my grandad work 65 years only to have 8 in retirement. My mother in law worked 10 years after my FIL retired. He passed a year after she retired.
All that to say, I’m fast becoming more inclined to spend less time caring about my career and more inclined to enjoy myself on a personal level. Can’t get time back fellas.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 6:33 pm to fjlee90
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65 years only to have 8 in retirement
My dad retired at nearly 66. He’s 69 now, he had big plans for travel and enjoying the fruits of his labor with a boat and house on the water. His back problems have gotten in the way.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 7:14 pm to FieldEngineer
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Seriously, I hope I can work for the rest of my life. I may work less at some point and travel more, but I'll still do some sort of work.
I find that at this phase in my life/career, I’m not enjoying travel as much because I’m thinking about work before, during, and after traveling. I may be visiting a noteworthy location but I don’t enjoy it as much because my mind is on work. The work phone is always there and always beckons.
I prefer the idea of retiring, then enjoying life while seeing the world without the constant reminder of other work related responsibilities where other people need me to get back with them on various issues.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:00 pm to Thundercles
Age 70 if it’s a job I really enjoy.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:14 pm to Wally Sparks
Kids will be out of the house by 50.
I'm working my industry job until 55.
Then I'm retiring to go teach for DODEA and live in Europe for another 10-12 years before calling it quits and coming back home.
I'm working my industry job until 55.
Then I'm retiring to go teach for DODEA and live in Europe for another 10-12 years before calling it quits and coming back home.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:31 pm to Thundercles
On pace to retire by 40. Will probably just cut down my workload to around 20 hours/week
This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:36 pm to tirebiter
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I find it odd in these threads that everyone speaks to their retirement assets and never any taxable accounts. I retired a few weeks before turning 48 and if taxable accounts weren't roughly half of my investments at that time that wouldn't have happened. With QDI tax rates being very low and if you stack loss carry forwards through the years it is cheap to live on taxable accounts.
I'm 45 and hit roughly $1 million in assets this year. Like you are saying, $300,000 of that is Roth IRA and Roth/403b, the rest is taxable (or at least not tax advantaged in any way). I'm maxing out the 403b at $22,500 a year and doing $6.500 backdoor to the Roth IRA. I do at least that much a year to other taxable retirement savings. My plan is definitely to cut back at 50 on outside work and cut back even more significantly at 57 when I would have a full pension. I could then ride out my other saved assets until 72 for RMDs from the Roths.
My original plan was to work until I die just because I think its healthier to work than not work but my mother died this summer 3 years after retiring. She had significant medical issues the last 2.5 years that prevented her from doing much of anything. I don't think she wished she had worked longer.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 11:29 pm to Drizzt
You should have no RMD on Roth moving forward.
If you're high enough income now to require backdoor Roth, traditional 403b might be the way to go. Are you projecting a higher taxable income in retirement due to the pension? It's often beneficial to have a mix of pretax/post-tax/taxable (3 buckets) for withdrawal phase tax optimization.
quote:IRS.gov
Designated Roth accounts in a 401(k) or 403(b) plan are subject to the RMD rules for 2022 and 2023. However, for 2024 and later years, RMDs are no longer required from designated Roth accounts.
If you're high enough income now to require backdoor Roth, traditional 403b might be the way to go. Are you projecting a higher taxable income in retirement due to the pension? It's often beneficial to have a mix of pretax/post-tax/taxable (3 buckets) for withdrawal phase tax optimization.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:53 am to Thundercles
55 is the target age.
$90k/yr is the target retirement income.
$90k/yr is the target retirement income.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 1:13 pm to notsince98
55 is a good target. "Rule of 55" for penalty free 401(k)/403(b) withdrawals for the win.
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:40 pm to Thundercles
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You waiting for a certain age, certain dollar amount, or certain milestone?
I retired because I reached my 40 years of expenses at 54. Some fortunate and unfortunate circumstances led me there but I was confident that I had enough to last with a reasonable return from my savings.
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