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re: What's your benchmark for retirement?

Posted on 9/23/23 at 10:51 am to
Posted by Kolbysfan
Member since Jun 2007
2021 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 10:51 am to
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Roth conversion ladders


I’m in year 3. How do the Feds know what $ is gains vs contributions? How do I know how much is available w/o 10% penalty before retirement? Called my broker….use less.
Posted by Kolbysfan
Member since Jun 2007
2021 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 10:56 am to
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while still working would likely fall in a higher bracket


Trying to take advantage of kids. And I’ll be in a higher bracket in the future


quote:

exceeding income threshold


This is my limiting factor. I’ll move just enough to keep me from next bracket.

Edit- not exceeding income threshold but taxable income bracket.
This post was edited on 9/23/23 at 10:58 am
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
733 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 9:02 pm to
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I’m in year 3. How do the Feds know what $ is gains vs contributions? How do I know how much is available w/o 10% penalty before retirement? Called my broker….use less.


You have to keep every tax form for your Roth account until you are over age 59.5. If you take money from the Roth there is a form where you have to fill in all those numbers, i.e. total contributions, conversions, etc. Tax software will do it.

Edit: It's Federal Form 8606.

LINK
This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 11:18 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
92520 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 9:55 pm to
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but what is everyone doing for health insurance?


Fortunately, I go Tricare Prime at 60, then TFL (plus Medicare) at 65, so I've got a leg up there, as well.
Posted by BLM
ATL
Member since Oct 2011
762 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:04 am to
People should be starting companies so they’ll have free cash flow for as long as you want. Once you get there you’ll completely change your time on “retirement”.
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3724 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:28 am to
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It is similar as a financial talk show host (whose name escapes me) that I used to listen to who called it critical mass.
The great Bob Brinker.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

The great Bob Brinker


I greatly miss him and his show.
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6039 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 5:14 pm to
quote:

People should be starting companies so they’ll have free cash flow for as long as you want

This advice is often repeated but not realistic for a large portion of the population
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
8380 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 6:12 pm to
Kids will be out of the house when I’m 51.

House will be paid off at 48. This is my true benchmark.

Wife and I max out HSA and 401k and have been for nearly a decade. She’ll also have a pension in the ballpark of 750k if she retires at 55.

At 48 I’ll genuinely begin considering retirement. I watched my grandad work 65 years only to have 8 in retirement. My mother in law worked 10 years after my FIL retired. He passed a year after she retired.

All that to say, I’m fast becoming more inclined to spend less time caring about my career and more inclined to enjoy myself on a personal level. Can’t get time back fellas.
Posted by Larry Gooseman
Houston
Member since Mar 2014
2731 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 6:33 pm to
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65 years only to have 8 in retirement


My dad retired at nearly 66. He’s 69 now, he had big plans for travel and enjoying the fruits of his labor with a boat and house on the water. His back problems have gotten in the way.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
14492 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 7:14 pm to
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Seriously, I hope I can work for the rest of my life. I may work less at some point and travel more, but I'll still do some sort of work.

I find that at this phase in my life/career, I’m not enjoying travel as much because I’m thinking about work before, during, and after traveling. I may be visiting a noteworthy location but I don’t enjoy it as much because my mind is on work. The work phone is always there and always beckons.

I prefer the idea of retiring, then enjoying life while seeing the world without the constant reminder of other work related responsibilities where other people need me to get back with them on various issues.

Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
31578 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:00 pm to
Age 70 if it’s a job I really enjoy.
Posted by LSUShock
Kansas
Member since Jun 2014
5290 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:14 pm to
Kids will be out of the house by 50.

I'm working my industry job until 55.

Then I'm retiring to go teach for DODEA and live in Europe for another 10-12 years before calling it quits and coming back home.
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
44338 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:31 pm to
On pace to retire by 40. Will probably just cut down my workload to around 20 hours/week
This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 8:32 pm
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
14369 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:36 pm to
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I find it odd in these threads that everyone speaks to their retirement assets and never any taxable accounts. I retired a few weeks before turning 48 and if taxable accounts weren't roughly half of my investments at that time that wouldn't have happened. With QDI tax rates being very low and if you stack loss carry forwards through the years it is cheap to live on taxable accounts.


I'm 45 and hit roughly $1 million in assets this year. Like you are saying, $300,000 of that is Roth IRA and Roth/403b, the rest is taxable (or at least not tax advantaged in any way). I'm maxing out the 403b at $22,500 a year and doing $6.500 backdoor to the Roth IRA. I do at least that much a year to other taxable retirement savings. My plan is definitely to cut back at 50 on outside work and cut back even more significantly at 57 when I would have a full pension. I could then ride out my other saved assets until 72 for RMDs from the Roths.

My original plan was to work until I die just because I think its healthier to work than not work but my mother died this summer 3 years after retiring. She had significant medical issues the last 2.5 years that prevented her from doing much of anything. I don't think she wished she had worked longer.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2624 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 11:29 pm to
You should have no RMD on Roth moving forward.
quote:

Designated Roth accounts in a 401(k) or 403(b) plan are subject to the RMD rules for 2022 and 2023. However, for 2024 and later years, RMDs are no longer required from designated Roth accounts. 
IRS.gov
If you're high enough income now to require backdoor Roth, traditional 403b might be the way to go. Are you projecting a higher taxable income in retirement due to the pension? It's often beneficial to have a mix of pretax/post-tax/taxable (3 buckets) for withdrawal phase tax optimization.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20067 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:53 am to
55 is the target age.

$90k/yr is the target retirement income.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2624 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 1:13 pm to
55 is a good target. "Rule of 55" for penalty free 401(k)/403(b) withdrawals for the win.
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 2:42 pm
Posted by Kolbysfan
Member since Jun 2007
2021 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:35 pm to
TY
Posted by NBR_Exile
Houston via Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
1334 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:40 pm to
quote:

You waiting for a certain age, certain dollar amount, or certain milestone?


I retired because I reached my 40 years of expenses at 54. Some fortunate and unfortunate circumstances led me there but I was confident that I had enough to last with a reasonable return from my savings.
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