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re: What's your benchmark for retirement?

Posted on 9/22/23 at 12:29 pm to
Posted by tirebiter
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 12:29 pm to
I find it odd in these threads that everyone speaks to their retirement assets and never any taxable accounts. I retired a few weeks before turning 48 and if taxable accounts weren't roughly half of my investments at that time that wouldn't have happened. With QDI tax rates being very low and if you stack loss carry forwards through the years it is cheap to live on taxable accounts.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:15 pm to
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Best advice I ever got when I was 23 and entering workforce was to max a 401k and a Roth.
This is what I have been stressing to my kids as much as I can. They are listening and will thank me in their later years. It is wonderful advice!
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:32 pm to
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 6:04 pm to
I include taxable accounts. The zero LTCG rate is going to be great now that my taxable income is low enough to take advantage. I'm hoping to gains harvest and reinvest as much as possible with new higher basis in the years before I tap retirement accounts.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25532 posts
Posted on 9/22/23 at 6:47 pm to
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Retirement is not an age, it is a financial state.


This is very true. If I did not have three kids I could probably do it now and generate enough hobby income to get by.
Posted by TulaneLSU
Member since Aug 2003
Member since Dec 2007
13595 posts
Posted on 9/22/23 at 6:59 pm to
Friend,

I hope I never retire. I work for the Lord, and my life is in the best of times service to the Kingdom. Working to make money for the purpose of retiring sounds like a waste of a good gift to me.

Yours,
TulaneLSU
This post was edited on 9/22/23 at 6:59 pm
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
7560 posts
Posted on 9/22/23 at 7:30 pm to
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It’s not what you make it’s what you save.

I save the maximum amount allowable in my 401K and have been for years. Company matches 8%. But still not balling like the rest of the posters
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2624 posts
Posted on 9/22/23 at 8:42 pm to
Took me nearly 20 yrs of maxing 401k (no match) and 2 x IRAs and throwing any extra into taxable brokerage.
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
733 posts
Posted on 9/22/23 at 9:04 pm to
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I’ll have enough money to retire at 60, but what is everyone doing for health insurance? It’s something important enough to keep me in the workforce longer than I’d want to be.


Roth withdrawals don't count towards MAGI for Obamacare. Start a Roth ladder and maximize Roth contributions. When you hit 60 use your available Roth assets to keep your MAGI (modified adjusted gross income) below the magic number to get an Obamacare subsidy. You will need it until you are eligible for Medicare at age 65. At 60, get enough out of your traditional 401K or IRA but supplement with Roth assets to stay below the subsidy limits. If you have taxable assets in mutual funds, pay close attention to capital gains distributions because they can really rain on your parade in this situation.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 9:14 pm to
Another reason to avoid a dividend stock strategy. Those dividends keep coming whether you want them or not and make tax optimization and ACA subsidies more difficult to manage. Another tool for managing MAGI is selling shares in taxable brokerage that have least appreciation. Spend the entire basis & gain but only the gain counts towards income.
This post was edited on 9/22/23 at 9:15 pm
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 9:31 pm to
obamacare needs to be blown the frick up. it is robbing people of retirement monies. my bill is ridiculous for my family.

frick every democrat and john mccain. mfer coulda got rid of it but he cost us a fortune.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 9:34 pm to
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Another reason to avoid a dividend stock strategy.


Posted by Lawyered
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 9:38 pm to
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frick every democrat and john mccain. mfer coulda got rid of it but he cost us a fortune.


Gotta level the playing field

Muh equity
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 9:41 pm to
bottom line is once your passive income = your monthly bills you are technically retired.

most keep going because you need a buffer with extras for other things. nobody wants to skate by. but it is a life saver if you are out of work, etc.
Posted by FieldEngineer
Member since Jan 2015
2351 posts
Posted on 9/22/23 at 10:11 pm to
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Give it about 10-15 years. Being idle will start to agree with you a lot more.


Couldn’t disagree more. Being idle is bad for your health. The mental satisfaction of getting paid for your work and also the physical benefit of getting out and about or just using your brain is huge.

Obviously though, if you’re well off enough, you can afford to do all sorts of things to keep your brain and body in good shape.
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
733 posts
Posted on 9/22/23 at 10:28 pm to
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Couldn’t disagree more. Being idle is bad for your health. The mental satisfaction of getting paid for your work and also the physical benefit of getting out and about or just using your brain is huge.


So plant a freakin' garden. Trust me, climbing those 70 degree staircases on work boats, crawling around paper machines, and working in high noise around 1000 degree steel slabs while wearing nomex, steel toes, and a hard hat is not going to keep you young.
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
733 posts
Posted on 9/22/23 at 10:41 pm to
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Another reason to avoid a dividend stock strategy. Those dividends keep coming whether you want them or not and make tax optimization and ACA subsidies more difficult to manage. Another tool for managing MAGI is selling shares in taxable brokerage that have least appreciation. Spend the entire basis & gain but only the gain counts towards income.


I disagree. A married couple could make about $72,000 a year of dividend income that would be free of Federal taxes and still get an Obamacare subsidy that would likely make a bronze plan with HSA free. I don't like index funds, but indexed ETF's are really good to avoid the big capital gains distributions that could ruin a strategy like this because the federal regs on cap gains are different for an ETF vs a mutual fund. At the least, planing to get 60% or so of your income from dividends would seem like a useful strategy if you can manage the details.
Posted by FieldEngineer
Member since Jan 2015
2351 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 12:16 am to
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So plant a freakin' garden.


Great example. Run a garden and sell at the farmers market or whatever. Satisfaction of being useful and it keeps you active.
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6039 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 1:17 am to
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CharlesUFarley


Reading all this makes me realize I absolutely need to meet with a financial planner at some point
Posted by PlanoPrivateer
Frisco, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2889 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 10:40 am to
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Coast Fire


I had to look this up. This is my position, also. It is similar as a financial talk show host (whose name escapes me) that I used to listen to who called it critical mass.
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