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What Caused the Historically Low Interest Rates.?
Posted on 5/24/24 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 5/24/24 at 11:38 pm
Why did that happen?
Posted on 5/24/24 at 11:46 pm to OTIS2
applied for a business LOC with my banker today.
also told her i wanted a HELOC on my primary residence. interest rates way too high. she said maybe they will come down later in year. fat chance baby.
also told her i wanted a HELOC on my primary residence. interest rates way too high. she said maybe they will come down later in year. fat chance baby.

Posted on 5/25/24 at 4:39 am to Fat Bastard
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fat chance baby.
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Fat Bastard
checks out
Posted on 5/25/24 at 5:48 am to Skippy1013
quote:that was about 12 years later. 2008 recession is the most direct answer
COVID economy shutdown
Posted on 5/25/24 at 6:16 am to OTIS2
“Historically Low Interest Rates” equal the three year old screaming “I want what a I want when I want it”
Juice the present economy, and take credit for it, and damage the future economy with the added debt. “Hey, when the schitt hits the fan on this, we’ll be sitting on the beach earning 20%!”
Juice the present economy, and take credit for it, and damage the future economy with the added debt. “Hey, when the schitt hits the fan on this, we’ll be sitting on the beach earning 20%!”
Posted on 5/25/24 at 6:39 am to OTIS2
Crap economy 2008-16 so they couldn't raise rates.
Started bringing them back up in 2018 then the CCP virus happened.
Started bringing them back up in 2018 then the CCP virus happened.
Posted on 5/25/24 at 3:53 pm to faraway
I agree yet add to it that Covid juiced the money and kept the interest rates lower, for longer. Once the economy caught its footing, rates rose (arguable higher than they should have been without Covid stimulus) to hold back the inevitable inflation.
Posted on 5/25/24 at 4:18 pm to Traffic Circle
Covid really should have never come into play though, rates should have been increased 2-3 years pre covid.
Im still young enough, but I don't really understand why more boomers didn't take more advantage early on of the low interest rates? Seems like guys that were still working and investing in things like real estate would have went hard into real estate with 30 year loans at 3% just because of the great rates. The younger generations really didn't understand how good those sub 4% rates were.
ETA: I'm kinda pissy my parents and in laws didn't tell me I should have just bought a bigger house early with a 30 year term. I haven't been in my dream house. I know that could appear to be a dumb idea, but waiting is not always perfect either. I wish I would have in the least invested in a "dream" lot when rates were good and prices were good.
Im still young enough, but I don't really understand why more boomers didn't take more advantage early on of the low interest rates? Seems like guys that were still working and investing in things like real estate would have went hard into real estate with 30 year loans at 3% just because of the great rates. The younger generations really didn't understand how good those sub 4% rates were.
ETA: I'm kinda pissy my parents and in laws didn't tell me I should have just bought a bigger house early with a 30 year term. I haven't been in my dream house. I know that could appear to be a dumb idea, but waiting is not always perfect either. I wish I would have in the least invested in a "dream" lot when rates were good and prices were good.
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 5/25/24 at 5:53 pm to baldona
quote:Boomers are stupid about shite like this. It's really frustrating.
Im still young enough, but I don't really understand why more boomers didn't take more advantage early on of the low interest rates? Seems like guys that were still working and investing in things like real estate would have went hard into real estate with 30 year loans at 3% just because of the great rates. The younger generations really didn't understand how good those sub 4% rates were.
ETA: I'm kinda pissy my parents and in laws didn't tell me I should have just bought a bigger house early with a 30 year term. I haven't been in my dream house. I know that could appear to be a dumb idea, but waiting is not always perfect either. I wish I would have in the least invested in a "dream" lot when rates were good and prices were good.
Posted on 5/25/24 at 5:53 pm to baldona
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ETA: I'm kinda pissy my parents and in laws didn't tell me I should have just bought a bigger house early with a 30 year term.
so it is their fault?

lift your skirt and grab your balls and be a man son. take responsibility.
Posted on 5/25/24 at 5:55 pm to faraway
quote:Yes, there was a flight to quality in the immediate aftermath of the crisis which caused rates to go lower. But then there was just a really extended period of lagging demand - which is why we didn't really see any inflation for all the years leading up to covid. Everyone predicted "money printing" would lead to "hyperinflation" - but it never did because demand was just too slack.
that was about 12 years later. 2008 recession is the most direct answer
THEN we had the TRILLIONS in new spending + the WFH bullshite.
I've just described 2 separate events, although many people like to lump them together. The frustrating part is that #2 was avoidable (or at least knowable in advance).
Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:21 pm to OTIS2
The FED wanted to prop up Barak Obama's shite-show economy.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 12:36 am to OTIS2
A shite ton of capital from the boomers and now it is gone
Posted on 5/26/24 at 9:38 am to OTIS2
As others have mentioned, the main culprit is the 2008 crash but I think 9/11 played a small role as well as I believe it had whetted the appetite for a sustained low-rate environment.
Going into 9/11 we were just starting to recover from the Dotcom bubble popping. 9/11 was huge on its own. Rates dropped in an extremely fast timeframe in order to keep the economy from crashing. Over the next few years they were slowly raised back up, but we hadn't fully recovered when the subprime bubble popped. In that event, rates were dropped even lower (near zero). From that point, any time the Fed even hinted about an increase the market would throw a fit and the Fed would back down (the market had its sustained low-rate environment and clung to it like an addict does their back of crack). The Fed finally began gradually raising rates just before COVID, but (as you can see from the graph) it was only about halfway to where it should have been.
Having rates higher tempers growth, but in a strong growth scenario you need that to keep the economy from overheating (and then crashing). Having higher rates also gives you more room to cut when economic storms are on the horizon (or just spring up, as in the case of COVID) and that cutting allows for better weathering through those storms.

Going into 9/11 we were just starting to recover from the Dotcom bubble popping. 9/11 was huge on its own. Rates dropped in an extremely fast timeframe in order to keep the economy from crashing. Over the next few years they were slowly raised back up, but we hadn't fully recovered when the subprime bubble popped. In that event, rates were dropped even lower (near zero). From that point, any time the Fed even hinted about an increase the market would throw a fit and the Fed would back down (the market had its sustained low-rate environment and clung to it like an addict does their back of crack). The Fed finally began gradually raising rates just before COVID, but (as you can see from the graph) it was only about halfway to where it should have been.
Having rates higher tempers growth, but in a strong growth scenario you need that to keep the economy from overheating (and then crashing). Having higher rates also gives you more room to cut when economic storms are on the horizon (or just spring up, as in the case of COVID) and that cutting allows for better weathering through those storms.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:49 am to Bestbank Tiger
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What Caused the Historically Low Interest Rates
Fed wanting to keep the economy afloat. It worked in hindsight.
Rates of 2-3% aren’t natural, so kudos to all who bought a house in that time. It’s also why people don’t want to sell now.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:57 am to OTIS2
Have you seen The Big Short?
Posted on 5/26/24 at 11:05 am to CharlesUFarley
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The FED wanted to prop up Barak Obama's shite-show economy.
Essentially this. The 8 year pursuit of low/no growth policies were made tolerable by the most accommodative fed actions in history.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 11:11 am to Fat Bastard
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also told her i wanted a HELOC on my primary residence. interest rates way too high. she said maybe they will come down later in year. fat chance baby.
I keep saying this to my banking buddies, as well. I don’t see how they can possibly go down unless something big were to happen/change.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 12:25 pm to TejasHorn
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Rates of 2-3% aren’t natural, so kudos to all who bought a house in that time. It’s also why people don’t want to sell now.
You were kind of a moron if you didn't refi during Covid unless you already had a low rate. Ours is 2.3% now, but you do sort of feel stuck at the moment.
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