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Using HELOC to purchase second home
Posted on 6/20/18 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 6/20/18 at 8:36 pm
I am applying for a position in Houston. If I get the job I plan to rent out the house I am currently in and buy another one in Houston.
It's been suggested that I use a HELOC for part of the down payment on new home in order to free up some cash to put in investments instead of putting most of available cash on the down payment.
Any advice/recommendations would be most appreciated!
It's been suggested that I use a HELOC for part of the down payment on new home in order to free up some cash to put in investments instead of putting most of available cash on the down payment.
Any advice/recommendations would be most appreciated!
Posted on 6/20/18 at 8:47 pm to redbaron
That could turn out really bad or really good. You’re essentially leveraging yourself in the situation.
If you don’t know what you’re getting into and the risk associated you prob shouldn’t be doing this.
If you don’t know what you’re getting into and the risk associated you prob shouldn’t be doing this.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 9:27 pm to redbaron
Could you pay the note on all 3 loans? What if you lost your job for 6 months
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 6/20/18 at 9:33 pm to redbaron
Depends on how fast you pay down the HELOC. In some situations HELOC rates are variable and the interest is not tax deductible.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 12:52 am to redbaron
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It's been suggested that I use a HELOC for part of the down payment on new home in order to free up some cash to put in investments instead of putting most of available cash on the down payment.
That sounds like a disaster in the making, just curious who suggested it.
There is no way on earth that I would do that
Posted on 6/21/18 at 6:08 am to redbaron
Sounds like an awful idea. From what you're saying you have the money to put down so just use that.
As far as investments go you should be able to fund an investment portfolio because
a. you should have positive cash flow on the rental
b. you won't be paying the note on a HELOC
Not knowing what your income is you should be able to fund a brokerage account or roth IRA pretty easily from the spread on these 2 items
As far as investments go you should be able to fund an investment portfolio because
a. you should have positive cash flow on the rental
b. you won't be paying the note on a HELOC
Not knowing what your income is you should be able to fund a brokerage account or roth IRA pretty easily from the spread on these 2 items
Posted on 6/21/18 at 6:21 am to Powerman
We did that on our new house... paid heloc off in about 8 months. Worked out fine and super easy. Not sure why everyone is up in arms over this.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 7:30 am to redbaron
You would probably be violating the terms of your HELOC, if you took it out on a house that was not your primary residence. Now will they find out? Who knows
Posted on 6/21/18 at 7:40 am to birdieman
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We did that on our new house... paid heloc off in about 8 months. Worked out fine and super easy. Not sure why everyone is up in arms over this.
If you have the cash to pay it off in 8 months, you have the cash to cover the down payment on house #2.
As others have said, the risk while you carry the heloc is substantial. Great that it worked out for you, but there is alternative outcome where you lose both houses.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:27 am to birdieman
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We did that on our new house... paid heloc off in about 8 months. Worked out fine and super easy. Not sure why everyone is up in arms over this.
And people have also successfully built a royal flush after drawing 4 cards, that does not make it a shrewd plan of attack.
OP
You had better look at your mortgage docs prior to renting, you may get a bad surprise if it states owner occupant and you rent it out. If notified they will most likely bump your rate which bumps the HELOC and have specific insurance requirements that are also more expensive.
Just do the math to see if it is even worth it now that most will not be claiming the interest deduction on their taxes.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 8:27 am to redbaron
You can do it. The idea carries a slightly higher risk of a major fiasco such as losing both houses, and you are simply leveraging yourself more.
If your current home is not in Houston or close by, you're also getting involved in the fun business of being an absentee landlord.
That said, it will usually work out fine. Just be aware you haven't found a risk-free way to make more money, and it'll soak up more of your time too.
If your current home is not in Houston or close by, you're also getting involved in the fun business of being an absentee landlord.
That said, it will usually work out fine. Just be aware you haven't found a risk-free way to make more money, and it'll soak up more of your time too.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 10:34 am to redbaron
I've used a HELOC in the past, but the interest is no longer deductible and it's and adjustable rate. That was fine when the rate was about 3.5 and now it's about 5.5. Using a HELOC helped me in the past, just be sure you know what you're getting into.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 12:04 pm to ATLdawg25
No, we had no cash paying around for downpayment. We do have a lot (for us) left over each month so we could quickly pay off the heloc. Why keep 10's of thousands in a checking account? Anyway, do as you wish...
Posted on 6/21/18 at 12:23 pm to redbaron
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It's been suggested that I use a HELOC for part of the down payment on new home in order to free up some cash to put in investments instead of putting most of available cash on the down payment.
I think the benefit of tapping a HELOC would be to preserve an investment, not create one. An example: If you were tied up in stocks and had to liquidate to pay the down payment, creating a taxable event, a HELOC would allow you to avoid that situation. However, you said the money is cash now.
Unless you have an amazing investment opportunity, right now, I don't see much potential benefit.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 12:39 pm to Tigerpaw123
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You would probably be violating the terms of your HELOC, if you took it out on a house that was not your primary residence. Now will they find out? Who knows
this. I would be worried this could be construed as bank fraud if I was OP.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:01 pm to redbaron
My recommendation is to do a cash out refinance on your current house, and use the cash out funds as a down payment for your second home.
This allows a couple of things, first and primarily for your to completely separate your rental property and your personal property. Makes your accounting cleaner.
HELOCS are not really long term solutions. Refinance rates are pretty good right now still, should be high 4% or low 5%. Lock that rate in with your rental property.
This allows a couple of things, first and primarily for your to completely separate your rental property and your personal property. Makes your accounting cleaner.
HELOCS are not really long term solutions. Refinance rates are pretty good right now still, should be high 4% or low 5%. Lock that rate in with your rental property.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 2:14 pm to baldona
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cash out refinance
So it's interesting you bring this up, as I've gotten some letters from my lender about doing this.
If I already have cash on hand to be able to afford the down payment, what advantage is there to refinancing instead of using cash on hand?
Posted on 6/21/18 at 2:16 pm to redbaron
Just buy your new home with FHA
Prime Rate is gonna skyrocket
Prime Rate is gonna skyrocket
Posted on 6/21/18 at 2:27 pm to foshizzle
Current house is in Odessa. Currently renting to a cousin and a coworker, hopefully would be able to fill the 2 rooms remaining if I leave. Otherwise, looking into the rental management option.
Also would plan on renting out rooms in new house.
I think what is important to point out here is that I would likely be paying about 40% w/ HELOC, remainder with cash, and still have some cash left over...close to 6 months on both payments.
I'm doing backdoor ROTH for this coming year, have some money in mutual funds.
Currently, I need to be doing more with income than shoveling it into checking/savings. But I do expect a pay cut when I move to Houston, so I don't expect to be able to build up cash as quickly once I get there.
Also would plan on renting out rooms in new house.
I think what is important to point out here is that I would likely be paying about 40% w/ HELOC, remainder with cash, and still have some cash left over...close to 6 months on both payments.
I'm doing backdoor ROTH for this coming year, have some money in mutual funds.
Currently, I need to be doing more with income than shoveling it into checking/savings. But I do expect a pay cut when I move to Houston, so I don't expect to be able to build up cash as quickly once I get there.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 3:12 pm to redbaron
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If I already have cash on hand to be able to afford the down payment, what advantage is there to refinancing instead of using cash on hand?
0 unless you can cash out refinance the first property and pay the 2nd property with 100% cash.
I was simply saying that doing a HELOC you create 3 loans, a Heloc and 2 mortgages. Most HELOCs require to be paid off in 10 years or less.
With a cash out you would have 2 loans and the terms could be 15-30 years.
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