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re: Spec Play - HGRAF

Posted on 3/10/26 at 2:53 pm to
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 2:53 pm to
I’ve learned that Yahoo lags behind pretty bad.
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 2:58 pm to
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a $30 buyout this summer would be about a 6.


It would suck. I 1st bought in Sept. Those capital gains would be like a kick to the cajónes. It gets better after holding 1 year.

DJT keeps talking about ending the IRS. I would have a perma boner.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Vero Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2005
27518 posts
Posted on 3/10/26 at 3:11 pm to
What if someone, saaaayyyy, Elon Musk just gets a consortium together and purchases a majority of the stock, but keeps Hydrograph as an independent company. The current management gets buyout, and Elon puts his own people in charge?
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
46412 posts
Posted on 3/10/26 at 3:15 pm to
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Elon Musk just gets a consortium together and purchases a majority of the stock, but keeps Hydrograph as an independent company.


If it does not create a taxable event, I am cool with it. I would vote whichever way current management asked. They have brought this pretty far and seem to have a good path mapped out.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
33856 posts
Posted on 3/10/26 at 3:22 pm to
quote:

What if someone, saaaayyyy, Elon Musk just gets a consortium together and purchases a majority of the stock, but keeps Hydrograph as an independent company. The current management gets buyout, and Elon puts his own people in charge?

Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 5:09 pm to
Casey free ride
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58820 posts
Posted on 3/10/26 at 5:19 pm to
What’s the next play?

ETA: I have the next 2 if yall are interested
This post was edited on 3/10/26 at 5:20 pm
Posted by HogPharmer
Member since Jun 2022
3611 posts
Posted on 3/10/26 at 5:23 pm to
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What’s the next play?

ETA: I have the next 2 if yall are interested


Is it betting on oil futures on Kalshi?
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58820 posts
Posted on 3/10/26 at 5:25 pm to
No it’s 2 more Canadian f stocks
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
19761 posts
Posted on 3/10/26 at 5:26 pm to
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When I think about it ,on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being worst case and 10 being best case, a $30 buyout this summer would be about a 6.


Their process is so simple and scaleable (if it works as expected) I would hold on a buy out until I reached growth constraints to new the demand. If all you have to do is expand the chambers to meet a higher demand in 27, 28, etc. then why wouldn’t you ride that train until it became too complicated to manage? Then you’re selling at a multiple of $30.

The other situation would be if somebody found a way to duplicate their process and work around patents. Then the clock is ticking on you current technology, patents and clients.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22507 posts
Posted on 3/10/26 at 5:49 pm to
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Their process is so simple and scaleable (if it works as expected) I would hold on a buy out until I reached growth constraints to new the demand. If all you have to do is expand the chambers to meet a higher demand in 27, 28, etc. then why wouldn’t you ride that train until it became too complicated to manage?

You answered your own question -

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The other situation would be if somebody found a way to duplicate their process and work around patents. Then the clock is ticking on you current technology, patents and clients.

They may have a great IP plan that I don't think has been articulated (often for good reason), but absent that there is a time constraint on finding max value as HGRAF.

From a comment the Hyperion inventor made in an interview (link posted a couple of days ago), I got the impression his forward focus was on applications and not creating more road blocks to manufacturing. Maybe they're holding a lot back as trade secrets?
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
39796 posts
Posted on 3/10/26 at 5:52 pm to
The Kansas state guy showed us how he did it.


I am certain there are geniuses worldwide that have a brain for creating:

1. A workaround the patent
2. Entirely different creation method.


But this is the leader right now.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
33856 posts
Posted on 3/10/26 at 6:04 pm to
From ChatGPT it looks like they’re working on an umbrella of patents that protect IP even after the Hyperion chamber patent expires.
quote:

While people often reference one key patent (expiring ~2033), HydroGraph actually has multiple patents and pending filings covering:
• The detonation synthesis method
• Fractal graphene structures
• Applications (composites, energy storage, actuators, etc.)

Each new patent can extend protection on specific uses, even after the core production patent expires.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22507 posts
Posted on 3/10/26 at 6:09 pm to
quote:

The Kansas state guy showed us how he did it.

Not sure what you're saying here.

Side note - Sorensen lends confidence/credibility to the effort. He's also pretty funny for a physicist.

quote:

I am certain there are geniuses worldwide that have a brain for creating:

1. A workaround the patent
2. Entirely different creation method.

A prospective competitor/suitor (with means) wouldn't have to come up with a complete workaround. Just something that gives them "plausible deniability" in terms of infringement and a path into a court could do the trick.
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
1985 posts
Posted on 3/10/26 at 8:08 pm to
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Just something that gives them "plausible deniability" in terms of infringement and a path into a court could do the trick.


By the time your scenario plays out the share price, I suspect, would be high enough to make everyone currently reading this pretty dang happy.
Posted by FieldEngineer
Member since Jan 2015
2878 posts
Posted on 3/10/26 at 8:10 pm to
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Not to be a Debby downer but when are yall considering selling?


I haven’t thought that far ahead. It feels like I was excited about $4s just a few weeks ago.
Posted by StonewallJack
Member since Apr 2008
964 posts
Posted on 3/10/26 at 8:16 pm to
Don’t be scared to take profits!
Posted by Swazla
Member since Jul 2016
1885 posts
Posted on 3/10/26 at 8:17 pm to
A big tech company with very deep pockets can get close to infringement on the patents and just wear HG out money wise over time. I've seen or heard about it happen both before,

That's why I think they need a friendly big brother that no one wants ot fight with...Like Tesla.

But I think another big risk is the lack of genuine hard nosed in-house manufacturing people who know how to do quality control and volume production to lower the cost of the Hyperion units and ensure high quality.

QA of their systems is critical to their success. What happens if the graphene changes in purity or form. In one units, or multiple units. How to you diagnose it? In automotive engines with well proves and battle tested electronics and mechanical components working together there is proven diagnosis methods and available replacement components on hand. I've seen no evidence that this exists Yet that expertise is in the automotive industry everywhere internal combustion engines are used and break like everything eventually does.

Hydrograph needs their own specialty in house design, component manufacturing, testing/quality control and then inventory control. It has to be internal to ensure IT control.

Total head count could be 10-15 top shelf people.
This post was edited on 3/10/26 at 8:56 pm
Posted by PlanoPrivateer
Frisco, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2955 posts
Posted on 3/10/26 at 8:26 pm to
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but when are yall considering selling?
Current thinking is to hold on until long term capital gains come into play. So for me at least August. When it gets listed on NASDQ and if the price really takes off, I will consider laddering some stop loses.
Posted by Rendevoustavern
Member since May 2018
1862 posts
Posted on 3/10/26 at 8:56 pm to
Diamond hands

And, I like the stock. I think this company actually has promise with its product. This could turn out to be a revolutionary component for a variety of industries. I’d be happy to say I invested in that process and profited a few lambos from it.
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