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Somebody explain when is a good time to get out of market and move to a money market acct

Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:35 pm
Posted by SuckerPunch
Member since Feb 2024
927 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:35 pm
If u think a pull back is coming….im talking about dividends…quarterly dividends…if i wanna sell today in June…will i get the dividends for the 2nd quarter? Ive had them the entire 2nd quarter and thinking about getting out the market while its on a high note. Somebody explain how long i have to keep it in order to get dividend…ill hang up and listen…thanks guys
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
81729 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:39 pm to
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Somebody explain when is a good time to get out of market and move to a money market acct
You could be the richest human alive if you knew the answer to this. No one knows this answer to this. Unless you are retiring in the next few years, don't ever try to time the market in a meaningful way

ETA: but to answer your question, you just need to hold past the date listed as "ex dividend" and you are good
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 12:40 pm
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
51969 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:42 pm to
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Somebody explain how long i have to keep it in order to get dividend…ill hang up and listen…thanks guys

You have to be the shareholder of record on the ex dividend date which will vary by investment.

Good luck with your timing.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2683 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:53 pm to
First, you have to time it correct twice once getting out and again getting back in. Chances are you dick it up and lose more timing than buy/hold.

Dividend stocks typically adjust price down at ex-dividend date iaw the dividend paid anyway. So it is more or less a wash either way just sell when you want to.

That's just what I've read others may know better. I dont invest for dividends. In fact, I wish the index funds that make up most my portfolio didnt spit off dividends it just generates unwanted tax drag. I'd rather manage when I realize a gain so I can tax optimize.
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6049 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:54 pm to
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getting out the market while its on a high note


I was hoarding cash all the way through mid 2023 because every day I thought the market was on a high note and was due for a pullback. I left several thousand dollars on the table.

It's gonna happen sometime between tomorrow and 10-20 years from now. Unless you have a compelling life event which demands cash, you might not need to take it out.
Posted by MikelArteta
Your mother's
Member since Apr 2024
73 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 1:10 pm to
"Tax optimize" Uh sir can you explain that as if you were talking to a 24 year old dumb guy that owed a couple thousand in taxes this past year?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131394 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 1:48 pm to
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Somebody explain when is a good time to get out of market
The best time to go all cash is the day before the market crashes. And then go back into stocks the day the market hits its low point.
Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
8110 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:00 pm to
The management site you use (I use Fidelity) would list the Ex-Dividend Date.

Example:

Ex.Date: Jun-17-2024
Amount: $2.10 per share
Pay Date: Jun-25-2024
Yield: 1.696901%

So, in this example, I'd have to wait until June 17th to be eligible for the quarterly dividend based on the shares held at that time.

When to get out and move to cash?

My current thoughts: These hints of declining inflation probably means that the market will start pricing in a higher probability of interest rate cuts. Which would favor further increases in stock market performance. Usually, rate cuts are good for the markets.

Besides movements by the Feds, some analysts also follow certain trends that are considered "recession indicators", like unemployment rates, growth in real income, industrial production and retail sales.

For example...

If unemployment data comes out higher than expected, then we’d expect the markets are going to react positively because that is an incentive for the Federal Reserve to cut rates. And/or if retail sales come out lower than expected, then the markets will also react positively because again that is an incentive for the Federal Reserve to start cutting rates.

A flattening or a downward trend with some or all of these indicators could raise the likelihood of a recession despite rate cuts.

That's pretty technical stuff, but you can follow the news, read analyst assumptions on sites like Yahoo Finance to get a feel for market sentiment.

Overall, I'd say it depends on your financial circumstances. I.E. your risk tolerance, time frames, you need the money for something.

But timing isn't a given even for the experts. And over the long haul, stocks outperform bonds and money market funds, so the average investors shouldn't try to time the market swings. You'd generally lose money over the long haul with high percentages of cash.

Good Article
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 2:10 pm
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
747 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:06 pm to
Many high quality dividend paying stocks have a history of not cutting their dividends during a recession or a pullback.

May other dividend payers will cut for the slightest reason.

If you know what you got, it may not make any sense at all to sell, if the actually value of the dividend is what's important to you.

I've never seen anything written claiming the dividend value of the S&P 500 index was appreciably impacted by cuts. I have seen plenty on when the dividend was lower because of stock appreciation, but people usually aren't upset by that.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
18596 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:02 pm to
LINK /

This link will let you know how the worst market timer in history did. Sort of defines the downside of things.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20175 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:05 pm to
when you retire.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2683 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 4:29 pm to
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"Tax optimize" Uh sir can you explain that

For example, a couple years ago at end of my career at peak income I was paying 15% long term capital gains rate on qualified dividends. I didnt need the $ and simply reinvested it but got hit w taxes anyway.
Now, my taxable income is lower and I can sell a limited amount of investments and pay zero long term gains (LTCG) rate. However, because my investments pay dividends most if not all of that zero LTCG space is consumed. I dont have to pay tax on the dividends now but it prevents me from choosing which positions to sell. If I sell off more and/or too much dividends pay out, anything that takes my income over the 12% income tax bracket is taxed at 15% LTCG instead of zero. (LTCG are taxed at zero in the 10 & 12% brackets plus standard deduction)

Bottom line: The dividends give me less flexibility. I would have preferred not to have dividends in peak income years and wait to sell when I could control the LTCG rate and pay zero LTCG.
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 4:34 pm
Posted by Back to Scat
Dry Prong
Member since Feb 2024
489 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 5:35 pm to
You know what happens after the market goes down.... It goes back up again.....
Posted by jrowla2
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
4158 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 6:21 pm to
Preface this by saying, I’m a complete amateur so I could definitely be wrong.

If you were feeling nervous about the market, rather than trying to time anything, you could transition your money into less risky positions. There are ways to limit your exposure during downturns while still being in the game.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59151 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 12:43 pm to
I’m of the mind that the powers that be ain’t letting the market crash until after the election
So I am staying put till Fall

With only minor changes after.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
11531 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 12:52 pm to
Posted by Florida_Man1981
Member since Jan 2024
415 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 1:50 pm to
If someone on here has the answer to this hit me up. Would love to retire tomorrow.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
12881 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 6:31 pm to
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don't ever try to time the market in a meaningful way


I think overall that is good advice. And I say that as someone who managed to time getting out before the tech crash and at the beginning of the 2008 debacle. But I was too slow to get back in, both times; especially after 2008. To me that is the hard part, catching the falling knife at the bottom.

Just before the tech crash a guy named Bob Brinker, who had a radio show, predicted it and was dead on. It was pretty spectacular timing on his part, to be honest. And it saved me a lot of money. But then in 2008 when the market was getting wobbly Brinker (his newsletter was called Marketimer) said it was not a real problem and was fully in, all the way to the bottom. So nobody really knows. I ignored him and got out fairly early in the madness, but then took way too long getting back in.

2008 was a hell of a lot of fun on this board. The anarchists ran the place and the buy and holders were in full retreat. Unfortunately, sanity returned.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:03 pm to
quote:

Bob Brinker


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