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Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:26 am to
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:26 am to
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Wow it's looks like no one learned anything from the tech bubble


Or, they learned you can get in, make a quick profit, and get out quickly.

So was trading open when this thing was $17? Confused
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:26 am to
Thought it opened at $24?
Posted by HYDRebs
Houston
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:31 am to
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This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 11:35 am
Posted by barry
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:36 am to
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So was trading open when this thing was $17? Confused


The offer price was $17. On its first day they take buy and sell orders to start the day, which is why IPO's never trade when the market opens at 9. Once they have enough to they select the opening price based on sell and buy orders.
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
35368 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 11:58 am to
The bankers undervalued and only put out a limited supply of shares to make sure it popped on day 1.
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 12:06 pm to
snapchat current valuation at $25+ is making Tesla look cheap, tesla is a hair higher valuation and considering the annual car market is on the order of 100 million vehicles and tesla is currently selling around 100k cars the room for growth is significantly more than whatever snapchat could possibly blossom into
Posted by chongo
Member since Oct 2014
199 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 12:10 pm to
The only question is when will I go short. Snap is like twitter. Instagram introduced "stories" and Snap's user growth hit a wall. They have nothing proprietary. Hell, they even listed as a "camera company." Their cost per user has increased as they have scaled, which is confounding. Their long term cloud storage contracts with Amazon and Google are insane. Waiting 5 days for option chains to become tradable so I can buy puts on puts on puts.
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
19239 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 12:13 pm to
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The offer price was $17. On its first day they take buy and sell orders to start the day, which is why IPO's never trade when the market opens at 9. Once they have enough to they select the opening price based on sell and buy orders.


So could I have gotten in at $17 today, by putting in an order to buy before trading started?
Posted by barry
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 12:21 pm to
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So could I have gotten in at $17 today, by putting in an order to buy before trading started?


No.

The shares are allocated ahead of time. It's how they set the offer price. They go on whats called a "roadshow" and the investment bank that is in charge of the IPO basically goes on a whirlwind tour pimping their client and trying to get the highest price available. This is the offer price, this is the money the company actually gets. There is a finite amount of shares and they are allocated to various investment companies, most go to institutional investors and other high profile clients. Joe Schmo has no chance on a hot IPO like SNAP. Even Joe millionaire is probably hosed.

So the IB wants it to be just right. Too low and if the stock pops on opening day then the client is pissed because they left too much money on the table. Too high and the stock goes down on opening day and can cause a lot of angry investors and bad press.
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 12:31 pm to
That makes sense. Thanks.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
66448 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 12:31 pm to
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snapchat current valuation at $25+


Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 12:32 pm to
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barry


I appreciate all of your work on this board
Posted by barry
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 12:36 pm to
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I appreciate all of your work on this board



Thanks, its my favorite board on TD, and the most civil. Which is probably highly correlated.
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 12:39 pm to
Love Votto too, easily one of the best avis on TD.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158770 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 12:59 pm to
LULZ

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purchase... if they're among the traders that have snapped up shares of Snap Interactive Inc. today.

Snap Interactive, ticker STVI, is up 18% at the moment. The problem is, Snap Interactive is not Snap Inc. It doesn't own Snapchat. And it isn't debuting on the New York Stock Exchange.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 1:01 pm to
Posted by JimMorrison
The Peninsula
Member since May 2012
20747 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 1:06 pm to
idiots. Those are the traders who bag hold your realized gains

Not even doing a smidgen of due diligence to make sure you're buying the right ticker
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
50350 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 1:13 pm to
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purchase... if they're among the traders that have snapped up shares of Snap Interactive Inc. today.

Snap Interactive, ticker STVI, is up 18% at the moment. The problem is, Snap Interactive is not Snap Inc. It doesn't own Snapchat. And it isn't debuting on the New York Stock Exchange


If i remember correctly there is actually some traders who buy similarly named stocks when IPO's debut for this very reason
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24169 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 2:58 pm to
I never said I was bullish on SNAP
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56396 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 3:25 pm to
They do. There was one that went up dramatically when Twitter went public.
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What other explanation could there be for a 2,200% surge in shares of TWTR Inc. Friday morning? The stock, an over-the-counter listed stub of bankrupt consumer electronics retailer called Tweeter Entertainment went from less than a penny to mind-bending highs before settling back in around 4 cents a share.
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