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re: Silicon Valley Bank is now under receivership

Posted on 3/10/23 at 2:17 pm to
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/10/23 at 2:17 pm to
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The obvious question - who is next?
It'll be boring, whatever it is.
Posted by catfish 62
Atlanta
Member since Mar 2010
5623 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 2:28 pm to
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It'll be boring, whatever it is.


Maybe FRC?
Posted by catfish 62
Atlanta
Member since Mar 2010
5623 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 2:33 pm to
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Then again, if your company did payroll through Rippling (which uses SVB), you're not getting paid this week


Yup - several tech payroll providers were SVB clients. Rippling, legacy Zenefits, Namely. I’m sure UKG, iSolved, Just Works and several others have exposure there. Their clients funds are now locked at SVB since receivership started and they can’t get to them. Not receiving payroll is certainly one thing, but imagine the corporate clients the payroll providers work with…their tax funds that they have been impounding for weeks/months that will come due soon can’t be paid if they can’t get the money. Some will have to front the payments via debt facilities or corporate cash or they’ll be looking at massive client attrition and lawsuits.

The payroll industry is already under some intense scrutiny by various states to be viewed as money transmitters and thus require insane licensing. This won’t help.

Rippling has already moved to JPM for backup. It isn’t a simple switch though in that space.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:24 pm to
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Classic insider trading. Should be an open and closed case. Unless, he has paid off some people.


Or part of a pre-planned sell that happens all the time.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11869 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:45 pm to
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How did they not forecast a liquidity crunch sooner?


Nobody at the bank gets fired for being bullish unprofitable technology companies
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 5:32 pm to
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Maybe FRC?
Yeah. They are long 2.5% mortgages that they kept on balance sheet and (seemingly) did not hedge. And they are short 1% deposits to HNW depositors who are smart, and are thus fleeing for 5% deposits elsewhere. Not a winning strategy.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 5:32 pm to
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Nobody at the bank gets fired for being bullish unprofitable technology companies
But they SHOULD get fired for making dumb fixed income bets.
Posted by oneg8rh8r
Port Ludlow, WA
Member since Dec 2003
2939 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 5:58 pm to
More employees for the windmill and solar panel projects.

Nice.

These types of banks are no different then they were in the 2006 time frame, they were just investing in different junk.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466946 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 6:02 pm to
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At Silicon Valley Bank, north of 93% of the bank's $161 billion in deposits are uninsured per a recent regulatory filing,


Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 6:12 pm to
At least $42B was pulled successfully yesterday.
Posted by Penn
Jax Beach
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/10/23 at 6:13 pm to
Can confirm
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6754 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 7:00 pm to
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The obvious question - who is next?
Jim Cramer - the man who said SVB was solid two weeks ago - just said that “JP Morgan is a fortress”.

I’m not saying it’s happening, but -


Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
50206 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 7:08 pm to
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unusual_whales
@unusual_whales
BREAKING: Many companies have exposure to the now collapsed Silicon Valley Bank.

For example:
- BlockFi: $247M
- $ROKU: 487M in cash equivalents
- $SMGO: $34M
- $AMBA: $17M
- Circle $USDC
- $RKLB, $LC, $COHU, $DNA, and many more


Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
46442 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 7:46 pm to
I think it's something like 26% of what roku has. I heard roku said they have money for operating for the next 12 months or so. Will be interesting to see what happens there.
Posted by SanJoseTigerFan
San Jose, CA
Member since Feb 2013
2453 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 7:50 pm to
Well fack my wife’s company is affected no direct deposit
Posted by OleVaught14
Member since Jun 2019
10379 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 8:02 pm to
Blockfi is in bankruptcy and was warned by court earlier this month the money they held in SVB was not in compliance and was not insured...
Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1579 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 8:16 pm to
I saw this posted over on Bogleheads from a paywalled Bloomberg article.

quote:

Traditionally, the way a bank works is that it takes deposits from people who have money, and makes loans to people who need money. The weird problem with focusing exclusively on crypto or startups in 2021 is that they had too much money. If you were the Bank of Startups, the main service that you provided to startups is that equity investors would give them a truck full of cash and they’d deposit it at your bank...

But the customers didn’t need loans, in part because equity investors kept giving them trucks full of cash and in part because young tech startups tend not to have the fixed assets or recurring cash flows that make for good corporate borrowers.... there is a basic imbalance. Customer money keeps coming in, as deposits, but it doesn’t go out, as loans....

in traditional banking, you make your money in part by taking credit risk: You get to know your customers, you try to get good at knowing which of them will be able to pay back loans, and then you make loans to those good customers. In the Bank of Startups, in 2021, you couldn’t really make money by taking credit risk: Your customers just didn’t need enough credit to give you the credit risk that you needed to make money on all those deposits. So you had to make your money by taking interest-rate risk: Instead of making loans to risky corporate borrowers, you bought long-term bonds backed by the US government.

The result of this is that, as the Bank of Startups, you were unusually exposed to interest-rate risk.

At the Financial Times, Robert Armstrong writes:
Few other banks have as much of their assets locked up in fixed-rate securities as SVB, rather than in floating-rate loans. Securities are 56 per cent of SVB’s assets. At Fifth Third, the figure is 25 per cent; at Bank of America, it is 28 per cent.

For most banks higher rates, in and of themselves, are good news. They help the asset side of the balance sheet more than they hurt the liability side. … SVB is the opposite: higher rates hurt it on the liability side more than they help it on the asset side. As Oppenheimer bank analyst Chris Kotowski sums up, SVB is “a liability-sensitive outlier in a generally asset-sensitive world”.
But there is another, subtler, more dangerous exposure to interest rates: You are the Bank of Startups, and startups are a low-interest-rate phenomenon....

If some charismatic tech founder had come to you in 2021 and said “I am going to revolutionize the world via [artificial intelligence][robot taxis][flying taxis][space taxis][blockchain],” it might have felt unnatural to reply “nah but what if the Fed raises rates by 0.25%?”
Posted by catfish 62
Atlanta
Member since Mar 2010
5623 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 8:25 pm to
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saw this posted over on Bogleheads from a paywalled Bloomberg article.


Good read. They also got hammered from a stagnant IPO market. They historically made hay on unicorns they banked that did make it public.
Posted by catfish 62
Atlanta
Member since Mar 2010
5623 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 8:27 pm to
Hearing that JPM might be the buyer by Sunday.

Regardless of that, I imagine the government steps in no later than Monday/Tuesday to kill the spiraling fears of contagion…
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
148459 posts
Posted on 3/10/23 at 9:31 pm to
My workplace utilizes SVB for all our corporate cards. Just in the last couple months they were already looking to make a move at the end of April to BoA, but as of this afternoon email came down the pipeline that we won't be waiting until the end of April now
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