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My financial planner isn't doing it for me. What do I do?
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:03 pm
I've been with a pretty reputable financial planner for awhile but in the last decade - while there's been many wins and he's nearly doubled the portfolio's value at times - today it sits at what it was nearly at 10 years ago.
I'm kind of at a loss on what to do. But I know I gotta do something.
What would Money Talk do?
I'm kind of at a loss on what to do. But I know I gotta do something.
What would Money Talk do?
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:19 pm to Giantkiller
How is it even possible for it to be at the same spot that it was 10 years ago?
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:21 pm to Giantkiller
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today it sits at what it was nearly at 10 years ago
That seems criminal. Seriously maybe look into whether something nefarious is going on.
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What would Money Talk do?
I’d show him this below and fire him today.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:22 pm to Giantkiller
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I've been with a pretty reputable financial planner for awhile but in the last decade - while there's been many wins and he's nearly doubled the portfolio's value at times - today it sits at what it was nearly at 10 years ago.
I don't know how this would be possible.
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What would Money Talk do?
You will need to provide a lot more information on your circumstances for a reasonable reply.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:23 pm to PhiTiger1764
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PhiTiger1764
Link to this calculator? Want to bookmark.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:28 pm to PhiTiger1764
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That seems criminal. Seriously maybe look into whether something nefarious is going on.
He's a swing-for-the-fences type and as I said, it's resulted in a lot of growth. But he's been on a disastrous losing streak, which is why I have to get out as soon as possible.
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I’d show him this below and fire him today.
I fully intend to do so. But where do I bring the money?
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:35 pm to Giantkiller
What has he had you invested in?
Him wanting to swing for the fences shouldn’t matter. Your financial plan and investments should be based on your goals and risk tolerance.
What is this money sitting in today? IRAs? Brokerage accounts?
Him wanting to swing for the fences shouldn’t matter. Your financial plan and investments should be based on your goals and risk tolerance.
What is this money sitting in today? IRAs? Brokerage accounts?
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:43 pm to lynxcat
It’s all over the place. Ira, brokerage, money markets… thing is, I don’t know what any of this shite is. I’m pretty ignorant to the world of investing.
Im looking for someone who can do all the work for me and just not piss it all away on gambles.
Im looking for someone who can do all the work for me and just not piss it all away on gambles.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:55 pm to Giantkiller
This sounds like something borderline illegal, breach of fiduciary duty, etc.
I do not have experience with this so grain of salt. That said, you might contact an attorney with experience in this area just to see. This person should not be professionally managing money.
I do not have experience with this so grain of salt. That said, you might contact an attorney with experience in this area just to see. This person should not be professionally managing money.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:56 pm to Giantkiller
He shouldn’t be swinging for the fences unless you want him to be. Did you tell him to do that? What risk tolerance conversations have you had?
Posted on 2/19/24 at 1:10 pm to Giantkiller
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It’s all over the place. Ira, brokerage, money markets… thing is, I don’t know what any of this shite is. I’m pretty ignorant to the world of investing.
Transparently, you probably need to get more of an ownership mindset when engaging a FA. After all, it is YOUR money they are managing so you end up dealing with the consequences.
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Im looking for someone who can do all the work for me and just not piss it all away on gambles.
You still need to be engaged in the goals, planning, and risk tolerance of the plan (and adjustments to the plan).
Posted on 2/19/24 at 1:34 pm to Giantkiller
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It’s all over the place. Ira, brokerage, money markets… thing is, I don’t know what any of this shite is. I’m pretty ignorant to the world of investing.
Hate to quote Dave Ramsey here but you really shouldnt ever be invested in anything you have no clue about.
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Im looking for someone who can do all the work for me and just not piss it all away on gambles.
You need to get more actively involved and find someone who will teach you what it is they are investing in so you understand what it is and why your money is going into it so hopefully you agree to it and it makes sense to you. You dont have to make every decision, but at least understand where its going and why. Do not go to someone and say heres a bunch of money, i dont care what you do with it and I dont need to know anything, generally speaking you're going to get bad returns
Just as an example someone using the S&P calculator above. If 10 years ago you had a $500,000 balance with this person and its only worth about $500,000 still today, it probably cost you a lot of money. Using that S&P calculator above, if that money just sat in the S&P 500 over those 10 years (January 2014-January 2024), it would be worth over $1.5M with dividends reinvested....so it would cost you literally a million bucks on a $500,000 balance originally.
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 2/19/24 at 2:14 pm to Giantkiller
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He's a swing-for-the-fences type and as I said, it's resulted in a lot of growth. But he's been on a disastrous losing streak
It truly sounds like you have your money not with a “reputable financial advisor”, and not even with an investor… your money appears to be with a (wannabe) trader. More than likely, he’s been trading (possibly churning) your account to generate commissions and/or fees for himself. Is this person fee based or commission based? Before you answer, I’ll venture a guess that he’s commission based.
Given this disastrous performance over the span of a decade, I’d be looking for a (truly) reputable advisor. Only a (bad) trader would see those types of peaks and troughs. But the first thing I’d do is better educate myself about at least the basics of fundamental investing - and realize that trading and investing are two different money management disciplines.
Best of luck going forward.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 2:14 pm to Giantkiller
Do it yourself. I’m up about 200% since 2016
Posted on 2/19/24 at 2:19 pm to Giantkiller
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I’m pretty ignorant to the world of investing.
read the sticky thread and educate yourself. you need to learn how to invest yourself. you got played a fool.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 2:20 pm to PhiTiger1764
To be fair, you can’t compare a typical portfolio allocation to just the S&P. I don’t think anyone would recommend 100% S&P long term (maybe I’m wrong).
But you can compare it to a ton of back tested allocation models to compare the returns. Flat over 10 years years is phenomenally bad.
But you can compare it to a ton of back tested allocation models to compare the returns. Flat over 10 years years is phenomenally bad.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 2:37 pm to SquatchDawg
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I don’t think anyone would recommend 100% S&P long term
There are countless people who recommend this. 100% S&P500 is a GOAT portfolio - even Warren Buffett agrees. Who wouldn't wanna own a piece of the greatest 500 companies in America? Of course this is applicable to people with a long time horizon, as you approach retirement then 100% equities is risky (though plenty of people do it and make out just fine).
Posted on 2/19/24 at 2:45 pm to Giantkiller
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Im looking for someone who can do all the work for me and just not piss it all away on gambles.
I know this sounds harsh but take this as a very hard and expensive lesson into not being a fricking retard and outsourcing the effort and knowledge of financial planning to a third party who doesn’t give a real frick about you.
God damn how the frick does someone just hand over most/all of their money to another person with the mindset of “I don’t know anything and don’t care to learn, please don’t frick me”
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