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re: MBA and School Attended

Posted on 3/24/11 at 5:00 pm to
Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 3/24/11 at 5:00 pm to
I'd venture to say the most important requirements for being a super successful businessperson in a place full of as much back patting as Baton Rouge, LA, have virtually nothing to do with what degree(s) you have. I'll leave it at that.
This post was edited on 3/24/11 at 5:01 pm
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 3/24/11 at 6:02 pm to
Who you know not what you know is universally true.
Posted by kaaj24
Dallas
Member since Jan 2010
877 posts
Posted on 3/24/11 at 6:11 pm to
I worked for a fortune 20 and now a fortune 500 company and neither company promoted MBA's any differently than other employees. (Neither are investment banks)

MBA seems redundant to me if you've already received a business degree. Networking is good and you get to go through career fair and recruitment process again which is a plus.

At a minimum you should have 3 - 4 years work experience before considering enrolling in a program.
Posted by LSUKTR
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2005
1489 posts
Posted on 3/24/11 at 7:40 pm to
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If its a PMBA and you are going to use it to advance in the company you are currently at, then I think its a great idea. LSU MBA is not anything to sneeze at, but the flipside is that it will be impossible to get a great NYC investment banking job without solid connections.


That's the type of program I am doing, and I plan to stay with my current company. Investment banking isn't in my future.

One of the main reasons for doing it is that I'm actually interested in the courses...had I not done engineering, I would have liked to major in finance. I wish LSU's program had more of a finance focus, but I'll at least get a few courses on the subject.

ETA: Also, I feel that what you do on the job is much more important than what degree you have. Hopefully an MBA just provides a few tools to do my current job better.
This post was edited on 3/24/11 at 7:43 pm
Posted by Bayou Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
3701 posts
Posted on 3/24/11 at 8:11 pm to
University of Louisiana-Lafayette night school

Like some others in this thread, I work in upstream oil and gas. It definitely enhanced my business skills. Then again, I went way above and beyond course requirements and made it a point to absorb and adopt at least one thing out of every class session (yes, nerd alert). It did not directly land me a promotion, but the skills and perspective have indirectly played a part in subsequent promotions and job opportunities.

Know what you want out of business school. If you want the networking and resume, you have to go to a top school. If you want the skills, you can get that anywhere.
Posted by lsu711
Member since Sep 2003
14702 posts
Posted on 3/24/11 at 11:53 pm to
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If you want the skills, you can get that anywhere.


Finance, marketing and economics aren't skills you either have or you don't. Some schools teach those skills better than others. Some schools teach skills that others don't cover. Just like I'd be a better quarterback if I learned from Andrew Luck rather than Jordan Jefferson, I'd be a better better equipped for investment banking if I went to Columbia rather than ULL night school. All business schools aren't created equal and 'you get what you pay for'.
Posted by Bayou Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/25/11 at 12:02 am to
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Finance, marketing and economics aren't skills you either have or you don't. Some schools teach those skills better than others. Some schools teach skills that others don't cover. Just like I'd be a better quarterback if I learned from Andrew Luck rather than Jordan Jefferson, I'd be a better better equipped for investment banking if I went to Columbia rather than ULL night school. All business schools aren't created equal and 'you get what you pay for'.
There's definitely some truth to that! I should clarify that I got the skills that I needed for my specific career path. Going to Wharton, etc would not have made a difference for me. I needed a strong, but not necessarily specialized, set of fundamentals. Plus, I kept my income and avoided any loans. No regrets at all. A lot of what I learned was tangential self-study based on the course material -- thus my feeling that you get what you put into it, not just what you pay for it.
This post was edited on 3/25/11 at 12:05 am
Posted by LSUlunatic
Member since Dec 2006
6833 posts
Posted on 3/25/11 at 12:41 am to
I think one of the largest advantages of getting an MBA is its ability to allow you to transition your career towards a different field (ex. Corp Finance to IB). And that's where I feel the value of a more prestigious MBA comes into play. An MBA from Chicago ceteris paribus is certainly going to provide a greater variety of quality exit opportunities than an MBA from LSU. For this same reason, I feel it's a poor decision to get an MBA out of undergrad--because it essentially wastes an opportunity to transition careers down the road.
Posted by lsu711
Member since Sep 2003
14702 posts
Posted on 3/25/11 at 12:49 am to
You hit the nail on the head. Research schools and go where your needs are met. Like the TCU guy who said his classmates didn't approach the job search as seriously as they should have. Maybe they didn't learn enough about TCU beforehand to know the school couldn't meet their needs. They entered the program with expectations that couldn't be met and therefore left disappointed.

IMO, people too often choose schools like TCU, Tulane, LSU, SLU, etc. because it is the closest school or the cheapest school, not the best school for them. Thats why you see so many unhappy with their experience and bashing their own school on a public forum like this.
Posted by HurricaneDunc
Houston
Member since Nov 2008
10472 posts
Posted on 3/25/11 at 2:45 pm to
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IMO, people too often choose schools like TCU, Tulane, LSU, SLU, etc. because it is the closest school or the cheapest school, not the best school for them.


Cheap and close are the ONLY reasons to get an MBA at LSU.
Posted by LSUKTR
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2005
1489 posts
Posted on 3/25/11 at 3:12 pm to
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Cheap and close are the ONLY reasons to get an MBA at LSU.



I wouldn't go that far. We're not talking about University of Phoenix.

It is still does fairly well in some rankings, especially some that give a higher weighting to recruiter surveys. It's still second best in the state and although UNO or SLU would be closer, I would driver further to LSU since it is a more highly respected program.
Posted by lsu711
Member since Sep 2003
14702 posts
Posted on 3/25/11 at 3:35 pm to
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It is still does fairly well in some rankings, especially some that give a higher weighting to recruiter surveys.


According to the US News report, LSU is actually more respected by its peers (2.8/5.0) than it is by recruiters (2.6/5.0).
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 3/25/11 at 4:01 pm to
I think he was referring to something with a little bit of a further spread than br/nola. Something that requires an actual move/change in life.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24993 posts
Posted on 3/25/11 at 5:47 pm to
Once you get past the top 50 schools (and that might even be too many) I don't really think "highly respected" should really be a consideration anymore.

The view of an MBA outside to Top 20 decreases dramatically with each step down the ladder.

It is similar to law school outside the T14.
Posted by SitchProdigy
Member since Jan 2010
2530 posts
Posted on 3/26/11 at 12:00 am to
Vanderbilt
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112623 posts
Posted on 3/26/11 at 2:53 am to
quote:

What school did you attend for business school?

UCF

quote:

did the degree/school network help you get into the career of choice?

Not at all.
Posted by LSUKTR
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2005
1489 posts
Posted on 3/26/11 at 8:55 am to
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Once you get past the top 50 schools (and that might even be too many) I don't really think "highly respected" should really be a consideration anymore.


the quote was "more highly respected." So you're saying that a company would view a Nichols, SLU, ULL, or UNO MBA the same as an LSU MBA? I doubt that.

I'm not saying LSU will get you a job with a major investment company, but for those who plan to stay with their currently employer and especially those with a technical background, I don't think it's a bad choice.
This post was edited on 3/26/11 at 8:58 am
Posted by HurricaneDunc
Houston
Member since Nov 2008
10472 posts
Posted on 3/26/11 at 9:20 am to
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but for those who plan to stay with their currently employer and especially those with a technical background, I don't think it's a bad choice.


If you're planning to stay with your current employer, you might as well go to UNO or even online. At the most maybe the PMBA program at LSU. Full-time programs aren't really meant for those sorts of people.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135386 posts
Posted on 3/26/11 at 10:21 am to
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I have also determined the strength of the network, along with every other thing in life, is what you make of it. You have to actively use your network to realize any value. Do not expect a great job to fall into your lap just because you are in the network. There are very few schools that have that power, and chances are, if you go to those schools, you will think you deserve a better job than you end up with.
As a non-MBA, my perspective is probably different.

I'm guessing many responses here are from folks still relatively early in careers, so I understand focus on what an MBA diploma from a particular school might personally accomplish in the short term (job placement, initial salary, etc). However a career is not short term. My interest as a business owner is in creative performance, execution, and result rendered by those same consultants much further along in their careers. Insofar as any particular program bestows creative qualities consistently on its grads, training background would help peak my interest.

Otherwise, it is far less an equation of LSU vs TCU vs Vandy vs Harvard. Instead, it is more one based on the individual and his/her work product. Underperformance/undercapability in MBA-type (or corporate JD) work is often insidious. Creativity can be equally inconspicuous. E.g., setting up initial structure, valuation, stock characteristics, etc. of a closely held company might seem mundane and unimportant for years. However on sale, creative structural/planning nuances (or lack thereof) can dramatically impact profitability. For a business relying on such expertise, it isn't necessarily a WYSIWYG scenario.

My interest is in the MBA who will thoroughly present all pertinent options/probable outcomes allowing me the benefit of a well informed decision. If TCU, LSU, etc get you there in a manner concomitant with Penn or Duke, my suspicion is networking will take care of itself. In the end, the program matters for all the reasons listed in this thread, but it is not nearly the only factor.






This post was edited on 3/26/11 at 11:48 am
Posted by slaphappy
Kansas City
Member since Nov 2005
2371 posts
Posted on 3/26/11 at 11:04 am to
I have my MPA from LSU and the degree has helped me advance my career. However, I believe that the credential is the most important thing, not the school from you which you earned the degree. The only exception is that FIRST job, if you have no quality work experience. Other than that, the credential is important....school not so much...
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