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re: How confident are you that Trump and his team know what they are doing with tariffs?

Posted on 4/9/25 at 7:57 am to
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
784 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 7:57 am to
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It has been worse than this and it is going to be OK.


Thing is, this has the potential to get a lot worse. With the way the credit markets are trading, lending could very well dry up and the next step will be corp. layoffs.
950 auto workers in IN. and Mi. {they make auto parts} have been laid off because Stellinis is slowing auto production in Mexio.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
19998 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 8:01 am to
100%. Trump wants there to be no tariffs on both sides. He usually gets what he wants.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
9678 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 8:01 am to
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This board is full of limp wristed leftists.




No its full of thin skinned Trumpers who can't handle any criticisms no matter how benign to their cult leader. Trump isn't always right and he isn't infallible. If China digs in on these tariffs which it seems they are willing to do its going to make Trump look foolish. That's just reality and it doesn't make someone a 'leftist' to post such.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
19998 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 8:04 am to
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Vietnam and EU have already offered 0 for 0 tariffs and the admin has said that's not good enough.

So what the hell are we doing? Nobody knows and they won't tell us.

It all smells like a bunch of BS so far. BS that leads to higher prices and more inflation for us.


Because currency manipulation, cheating and trade deficits are part of the discussion.

Vietnam for example, likes to be a proxy for Chinese products. They bring it in and slap a "made in vietnam" sticker on chinese made products to avoid regulations/tariffs in other countries. Regardless of tariff status with vietnam, that isn't acceptable.

If another country has zero tariffs but they manipulate their currency regularly to put the USA at a disadvantage, that isn't acceptable.

The situation with every country is different. If you expect there to be a black-and-white cookie cutter solution that works for every country, that isn't going to happen.
Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
7267 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 8:09 am to
I have no clue but I do think it’s time to try something different. Why shouldn’t the country with our money to spend flex that a little bit.
Posted by Art Blakey
Member since Aug 2023
278 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 8:12 am to
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They want to hoard and eat the cake. Pick one, revitalise manufacturing or maintain GRC status. Can't do both.
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
8658 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 8:24 am to
75-80% confidence. It is a gamble but appears to be one that the US is poised to win in the long run. It had to be done or the long term consequences of kicking the can down the road were going to be much, much worse.

Here’s Chuck Schumer talking about it in 2011. . .

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Posted by Art Blakey
Member since Aug 2023
278 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 8:26 am to
They also want $50/oil and we're nearly there. Unless they are planning on subsidising horizontal drilling to the tune of $20+/barrel capex in the Permian and Bakken vanish and we get $150/oil in <1 yr. US shale has been >90% of global production growth for a decade. If that's not profitable, GL keeping a lid on oil prices.
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
Bucktown, La.
Member since Oct 2003
15192 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 8:31 am to
It'll work out, or it won't. My opinion won't affect matters either way so there's little point in paying close attention. Learn to stop worrying and love the tariffs.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
28906 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 8:32 am to
100%. Will it work as well as he hopes? 97%.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
25656 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 8:36 am to
I think Trump knows this, 100%. My guess is that Trump already knows what the deal will be.

Maybe something to do with Taiwan, I don't know. Whatever it is, both countries will benefit.

Trump understands that a deal where one side wins and one side loses is not sustainable.

What happens the first time a Democrat gets elected and all these countries reinstate their tariffs? Do we go back to corruption, as usual?
Posted by SM1010
Member since Oct 2020
1189 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 8:41 am to
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Because currency manipulation, cheating and trade deficits are part of the discussion.


Trade deficits are a natural part of trade. The expectation that every country in the world should buy as much goods from us as we buy from them is ridiculous, especially the dirt poor countries.

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If another country has zero tariffs but they manipulate their currency regularly to put the USA at a disadvantage, that isn't acceptable.


Will we ever be given examples of these situations by the administration? Again, lack of transparency is not helping at all.
Posted by Uhtred
Bebbanburg
Member since Sep 2018
823 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 8:42 am to
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This is where I am. Some people have not been around long enough. It has been worse.


While things may have been worse, we've never been in a situation where this was orchestrated, purposefully, by the President of the United States.

I think most of us can agree that something needed to be done with regard to the debt and rising deficit. In addition, many countries had disproportionate tariffs that put American goods at a disadvantage.

But the chaos with which this has been rolled out - the seemingly deceiving manner in which the administration is conflating 'trade imbalance' with 'tariff rates', the lack of a clearly communicated strategy, the conflicting intended results (are these reciprocal tariffs with the goal of getting other countries to reduce theirs or is this meant to increase revenues? I don't think both can't be true), etc., - all at the cost of everyday Americans' retirement accounts, which will also crush any small business that relies on imported goods, erodes the trust with which many of us had in this administration as a pro-business boon to the country.

Many assumed we would see a lot of action in the M&A world, new IPOs, etc., but with the inconsistency of the messaging and the chaotic decision-making, businesses have little to no ability to plan long-term because nobody knows what will happen next week.

There may be a clearly-orchestrated plan that makes sense. But we haven't heard it. We just hear sound bites that seem to contradict themselves.

ETA - the manner in which they're trying to achieve their goals is insane - not the goals themselves. I hope the debate can center on this moving forward... not whether 'something' needed to be done, but how it should be done.
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 8:49 am
Posted by jefforize
Member since Feb 2008
45006 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 8:43 am to
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I don't know baws. I can't even look at my 401(k) anymore after just 3 days


pull yourself together. its numbers on a screen, and an opportunity to make actual money. Take it as a lesson for "not selling the top" and load up
Posted by Reagan80
Earth
Member since Feb 2023
622 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 8:48 am to
Not much at all. I think they may be spinning bull shite about the countries that are wanting to negotiate. They are putting out conflicting info. Navarro says there are no deals in the works. Too many believe that you can flip a switch and manufacturing will return to the US. It will take years for that to happen and will not happen if a Dem wins the WH. I’m hopeful but becoming very skeptical
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
2621 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 8:54 am to
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But the chaos with which this has been rolled out - the seemingly deceiving manner in which the administration is conflating 'trade imbalance' with 'tariff rates', the lack of a clearly communicated strategy, the conflicting intended results (are these reciprocal tariffs with the goal of getting other countries to reduce theirs or is this meant to increase revenues?


Can’t we all agree this to be true?
Posted by Jmcc64
alabama
Member since Apr 2021
1275 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:04 am to
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Trade deficits are a natural part of trade. The expectation that every country in the world should buy as much goods from us as we buy from them is ridiculous, especially the dirt poor countries.


Exactly. where do people think they get the money to buy up all our debt?

and the American consumer pays less for "stuff" (cheaply made, yes) but still vastly cheaper than domestically manuf.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
7264 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:13 am to
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I don't know baws. I can't even look at my 401(k) anymore after just 3 days. Don't know how long people will accept this uncertainty and volatility and destruction of wealth and retirement accounts. 401(k) going down 20% seemingly overnight for folks that only have $1M to so to begin with is a bigger deal than the net worth of some billionaire dropping a few billion. The former will feel it immediately. The latter's life won't change much.



Lets get something very straight. Its not the government's job to protect the stock market or insure against losses. I invest in real estate. I dont expect the govt to protect my investments at all costs.

The top 10% of people own 85+% of the stock market. The government's job is to act practically for the most # of citizens, not ideally for the top 10%.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
38370 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:31 am to
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100%. Trump wants there to be no tariffs on both sides. He usually gets what he wants.


So why would any corporation shift manufacturing to the US if the tariffs have a short lifespan?

How will we fund our government via the External Revenue Service if the tariffs go to 0?
Posted by MeatBaby
Not Alabama
Member since Nov 2010
97 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:34 am to
5% confident.

We all know that if this were happening under democratic leadership the same people telling us how good this is for us would have the opposite opinion.

Bipartisan politics has ruined us. We can no longer see past "red team good, blue team bad."

This whole thing is maddening because it was 100% avoidable.
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