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any real danger in owning T for the dividend?
Posted on 4/19/21 at 7:59 am
Posted on 4/19/21 at 7:59 am
thinking about buying a chunk, i know about the debt and all that but does fundamentals really even matter anymore?
This post was edited on 4/19/21 at 8:00 am
Posted on 4/19/21 at 8:09 am to nwatito
I own a sizable position in T and I’ve been adding to it every time it dips below $28 since this time last year. As interest rates crashed I moved a large amount of my savings that was sitting in a high yield savings account to T and MO as a “safe” haven.
This is also a hedge against much of my speculative and tech focused portfolio.
As of this post I’m up about 6% on T over the last calendar year and 22% on MO. It’s working just fine and I feel comfortable with a large chunk of money there.
ETA - those figures are price gains only and don’t factor in the dividend $$ made.
This is also a hedge against much of my speculative and tech focused portfolio.
As of this post I’m up about 6% on T over the last calendar year and 22% on MO. It’s working just fine and I feel comfortable with a large chunk of money there.
ETA - those figures are price gains only and don’t factor in the dividend $$ made.
This post was edited on 4/19/21 at 11:31 am
Posted on 4/19/21 at 8:09 am to nwatito
It basically trades like a utility. The dividend is the only reason to own it.
If you want a dividend stock with some growth potential I like ABBV although I might wait for a market pullback. It's only yielding about 5% at these levels.
If you want a dividend stock with some growth potential I like ABBV although I might wait for a market pullback. It's only yielding about 5% at these levels.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 8:10 am to nwatito
Well free cash flow still matters when you’re paying it out in a fat dividend.
That being said, I don’t believe the dividend of T is at risk in the intermediate future.
That being said, I don’t believe the dividend of T is at risk in the intermediate future.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 8:51 am to slackster
I already got ABBV, KMI, OZK, and MO. Just looking to diversify on a dividend stock that's has it's price beat up.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 9:49 am to nwatito
I'm guessing the danger is a lower stock price if interest rates rise and that you have some opportunity cost by not owning a stock or fund that appreciates in value.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:24 am to nwatito
Why not find a high yield ETF rather than exposure to individual stock?
Posted on 4/19/21 at 11:48 am to nwatito
They have more debt than most sovereign governments
TBTF
Posted on 4/19/21 at 12:28 pm to lynxcat
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Why not find a high yield ETF rather than exposure to individual stock?
Thinking the same a bit if you're just looking for steady income just buy something like QYLD which is like 1% a month on their payouts right now.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 1:05 pm to nwatito
T
Does not have the spectrum that T-Mobile has
Does not invest like VZ for higher frequency bandwidth
$148 billion debt
22 billion lease obligations
18.3 billion post retirement obligations
That is equates to 3.6 times EBITDA
3.6 equates to a Ba rating - below investment grade
The balance sheet is overstretched
They fighting on too many fronts:
Disney for streaming
T-Mobile for cellular
Commercial wireline business that is rapidly shrinking
Needing capital investment for broadband business
They will cut the dividend or they will have to abandon at least 2 fronts - pick your poison.
Does not have the spectrum that T-Mobile has
Does not invest like VZ for higher frequency bandwidth
$148 billion debt
22 billion lease obligations
18.3 billion post retirement obligations
That is equates to 3.6 times EBITDA
3.6 equates to a Ba rating - below investment grade
The balance sheet is overstretched
They fighting on too many fronts:
Disney for streaming
T-Mobile for cellular
Commercial wireline business that is rapidly shrinking
Needing capital investment for broadband business
They will cut the dividend or they will have to abandon at least 2 fronts - pick your poison.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 1:45 pm to lynxcat
other that that dave portmay etf, i've never owned etf's idk why but it's like my mind can't trust them. I just don't want T to end up like GE, i'm upsidedown for years on their stock.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 3:01 pm to nwatito
GE was financial engineering. Years in the making. There is a reason they made their numbers every quarter. It wasn’t luck. It was manipulation at best, fraud at worst.
GE positioned itself as a growth story.
ATT is a large inefficient company but as others have said it’s a utility with no significant growth prospects on the horizon. It trades in a tight range.
It’s not exciting but I do have a position in it as dividend pays and investing in Tesla can be lucrative but you have to be able to stomach the swings.
If it makes you uncomfortable don’t invest in it.
GE positioned itself as a growth story.
ATT is a large inefficient company but as others have said it’s a utility with no significant growth prospects on the horizon. It trades in a tight range.
It’s not exciting but I do have a position in it as dividend pays and investing in Tesla can be lucrative but you have to be able to stomach the swings.
If it makes you uncomfortable don’t invest in it.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 3:41 pm to kaaj24
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ATT is a large inefficient company but as others have said it’s a utility with no significant growth prospects on the horizon. It trades in a tight range.
Part of the thing that weirds me out with ATT stock is it got hit hard during the covid crash trading from the high 30s to high 20s and a year later it still hasnt recovered at all to pre-covid numbers, in fact, still tending to trade in the high 20s very often or $30 range.
Seems like it really felt the sell off and the people who sold off arent buying back in.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 3:51 pm to thunderbird1100
ATT made a ton of bad investments but does have some jewels.
It's a dividend play for me. Price appreciation is a bonus.
It's a dividend play for me. Price appreciation is a bonus.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 6:55 am to nwatito
ATT should be printing money but they are not.
How is HBO Max working out for them since it debuted May a year ago?
Seems ATT had to merge with BellSouth for BellSouth's cash reserve, to bail T out back in '07.
How is HBO Max working out for them since it debuted May a year ago?
Seems ATT had to merge with BellSouth for BellSouth's cash reserve, to bail T out back in '07.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 7:35 am to KillTheGophers
The volatility is so low, you could buy the underlying now and also buy some cheap OTM puts to protect against a sell off if the dividend is cut and still net a very healthy yield.
Current price: $29.99
Jan 2023 $25 puts: $1.95
Dividend: $2.08
Effective Yield: $2.08 / ($29.99 + $1.95) = 6.5%
Current price: $29.99
Jan 2023 $25 puts: $1.95
Dividend: $2.08
Effective Yield: $2.08 / ($29.99 + $1.95) = 6.5%
Posted on 4/20/21 at 9:06 am to RedStickBR
does qyld deposit dividends just like you would a stock? probably a dumb question.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:41 pm to nwatito
quote:
i've never owned etf's idk why but it's like my mind can't trust them. I just don't want T to end up like GE, i'm upsidedown for years on their stock
That's highly irrational thinking, you are concerned with buying and/or holding a single stock but don't trust the diversification and tax benefits of holding a basket of dividend payers or other via a low cost ETF structure. Why haven't you sold GE for tax loss purposes?
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:55 pm to tirebiter
i'm a buy and hold person, and GE keeps creeping back up and i have a significant position. I know etfs are just a basket of stocks but for some reason i just like owning a single stock i know it doesn't make sense.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:28 pm to nwatito
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i'm a buy and hold person, and GE keeps creeping back up and i have a significant position.
If you hold GE in a taxable account the tax benefits from selling and using the losses over time to offset future income is likely much higher than waiting for GE. You'd have cash to invest in something else with better expected long term results plus ongoing tax benefits, win-win.
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