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any real danger in owning T for the dividend?

Posted on 4/19/21 at 7:59 am
Posted by nwatito
Member since Mar 2021
45 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 7:59 am
thinking about buying a chunk, i know about the debt and all that but does fundamentals really even matter anymore?
This post was edited on 4/19/21 at 8:00 am
Posted by skewbs
Member since Apr 2008
2194 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 8:09 am to
I own a sizable position in T and I’ve been adding to it every time it dips below $28 since this time last year. As interest rates crashed I moved a large amount of my savings that was sitting in a high yield savings account to T and MO as a “safe” haven.

This is also a hedge against much of my speculative and tech focused portfolio.

As of this post I’m up about 6% on T over the last calendar year and 22% on MO. It’s working just fine and I feel comfortable with a large chunk of money there.

ETA - those figures are price gains only and don’t factor in the dividend $$ made.
This post was edited on 4/19/21 at 11:31 am
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53045 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 8:09 am to
It basically trades like a utility. The dividend is the only reason to own it.

If you want a dividend stock with some growth potential I like ABBV although I might wait for a market pullback. It's only yielding about 5% at these levels.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91300 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 8:10 am to
Well free cash flow still matters when you’re paying it out in a fat dividend.

That being said, I don’t believe the dividend of T is at risk in the intermediate future.
Posted by nwatito
Member since Mar 2021
45 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 8:51 am to
I already got ABBV, KMI, OZK, and MO. Just looking to diversify on a dividend stock that's has it's price beat up.
Posted by Dandaman
Louisiana
Member since May 2017
797 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 9:49 am to
I'm guessing the danger is a lower stock price if interest rates rise and that you have some opportunity cost by not owning a stock or fund that appreciates in value.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24993 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:24 am to
Why not find a high yield ETF rather than exposure to individual stock?
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11832 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 11:48 am to
They have more debt than most sovereign governments TBTF
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
71513 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

Why not find a high yield ETF rather than exposure to individual stock?



Thinking the same a bit if you're just looking for steady income just buy something like QYLD which is like 1% a month on their payouts right now.
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6743 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 1:05 pm to
T
Does not have the spectrum that T-Mobile has
Does not invest like VZ for higher frequency bandwidth

$148 billion debt
22 billion lease obligations
18.3 billion post retirement obligations
That is equates to 3.6 times EBITDA
3.6 equates to a Ba rating - below investment grade

The balance sheet is overstretched
They fighting on too many fronts:
Disney for streaming
T-Mobile for cellular
Commercial wireline business that is rapidly shrinking
Needing capital investment for broadband business

They will cut the dividend or they will have to abandon at least 2 fronts - pick your poison.
Posted by nwatito
Member since Mar 2021
45 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 1:45 pm to
other that that dave portmay etf, i've never owned etf's idk why but it's like my mind can't trust them. I just don't want T to end up like GE, i'm upsidedown for years on their stock.
Posted by kaaj24
Dallas
Member since Jan 2010
877 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 3:01 pm to
GE was financial engineering. Years in the making. There is a reason they made their numbers every quarter. It wasn’t luck. It was manipulation at best, fraud at worst.

GE positioned itself as a growth story.

ATT is a large inefficient company but as others have said it’s a utility with no significant growth prospects on the horizon. It trades in a tight range.

It’s not exciting but I do have a position in it as dividend pays and investing in Tesla can be lucrative but you have to be able to stomach the swings.

If it makes you uncomfortable don’t invest in it.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
71513 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

ATT is a large inefficient company but as others have said it’s a utility with no significant growth prospects on the horizon. It trades in a tight range.



Part of the thing that weirds me out with ATT stock is it got hit hard during the covid crash trading from the high 30s to high 20s and a year later it still hasnt recovered at all to pre-covid numbers, in fact, still tending to trade in the high 20s very often or $30 range.

Seems like it really felt the sell off and the people who sold off arent buying back in.
Posted by kaaj24
Dallas
Member since Jan 2010
877 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 3:51 pm to
ATT made a ton of bad investments but does have some jewels.

It's a dividend play for me. Price appreciation is a bonus.

Posted by leeman101
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2020
2417 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 6:55 am to
ATT should be printing money but they are not.

How is HBO Max working out for them since it debuted May a year ago?

Seems ATT had to merge with BellSouth for BellSouth's cash reserve, to bail T out back in '07.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 7:35 am to
The volatility is so low, you could buy the underlying now and also buy some cheap OTM puts to protect against a sell off if the dividend is cut and still net a very healthy yield.

Current price: $29.99
Jan 2023 $25 puts: $1.95
Dividend: $2.08
Effective Yield: $2.08 / ($29.99 + $1.95) = 6.5%
Posted by nwatito
Member since Mar 2021
45 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 9:06 am to
does qyld deposit dividends just like you would a stock? probably a dumb question.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10709 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

i've never owned etf's idk why but it's like my mind can't trust them. I just don't want T to end up like GE, i'm upsidedown for years on their stock


That's highly irrational thinking, you are concerned with buying and/or holding a single stock but don't trust the diversification and tax benefits of holding a basket of dividend payers or other via a low cost ETF structure. Why haven't you sold GE for tax loss purposes?
Posted by nwatito
Member since Mar 2021
45 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:55 pm to
i'm a buy and hold person, and GE keeps creeping back up and i have a significant position. I know etfs are just a basket of stocks but for some reason i just like owning a single stock i know it doesn't make sense.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10709 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:28 pm to
quote:

i'm a buy and hold person, and GE keeps creeping back up and i have a significant position.


If you hold GE in a taxable account the tax benefits from selling and using the losses over time to offset future income is likely much higher than waiting for GE. You'd have cash to invest in something else with better expected long term results plus ongoing tax benefits, win-win.
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