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re: Annual Raise, Exceeds Expectations, Engineer

Posted on 2/10/23 at 2:52 pm to
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
31876 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 2:52 pm to
What level engineer are you currently?
Posted by Virgo
Member since Aug 2017
166 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 3:17 pm to
I think it depends on the company you work for and their distinctions between engineer I, II, III, senior, principal, etc.

To answer your question though, I’m an engineer ii by my company’s matrix, although I had achieved the title “senior engineer” at my previous plant which was a much bigger chemical company. The next level up for me at my current company is “senior engineer.”
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
31876 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 3:57 pm to
From what I’ve seen, plants lean towards senior/principal/etc, and EPC tends towards 1-5 scale

If you’re on a 1-5 you should be a 3
Posted by Virgo
Member since Aug 2017
166 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 4:27 pm to
My company (several plants) does I, II, senior, principal, fellow
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 4:53 pm to
There typically is a salary range (min, median, max) and is a factor of performance and your position in range (PIR). If you are below median, big leaps with high performance. If you are above median, relatively big leaps to lower performers but not linear. If you are near the top of PIR, upside is near nil.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13830 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 6:06 pm to
Have you hit the 8% bonus every year?
Posted by Privateer 2007
Member since Jan 2020
7295 posts
Posted on 2/12/23 at 9:10 am to
quote:

what do others (particularly engineers) use to determine market value? salary.com? etc


That stuff is garbage. "Engineer" is a generic term now. Can mean an actual engineer or some random baw.

The only way for an engineer to gauge value is to know what others make. What do ppl in your role at competitior make?
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
46203 posts
Posted on 2/12/23 at 10:57 am to
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I don't know anything about that career but that seems awfully low pay for that field. No? It's good money but if you had me guess, I was thinking 200-250k range.


Im with you. I know controls engineers with no actual engineering degree making close to that 10 years ago working 40 hours a week. 130k is a nice salary but I would have expected more for a PE with 10 years of experience.
This post was edited on 2/12/23 at 10:58 am
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
2123 posts
Posted on 2/12/23 at 2:25 pm to
PE doesn’t really bring a premium at the petrochemical plants I’m familiar with.

$130k may be a tad low for 10 years. My acquaintances were close to that 5 years ago as 10-yr employees.

I’d expect a raise a couple percentage points higher than normal. That seems to be a trend in the job market in that field, in very rough figures.

When I’ve talked with others in the EPC realm, I’ve lately been pretty surprised at their pay being less than expected.
This post was edited on 2/12/23 at 2:27 pm
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
2123 posts
Posted on 2/12/23 at 2:28 pm to
If you don’t mind me asking, what is your typical work week, not including any after hours phone calls?
This post was edited on 2/12/23 at 2:29 pm
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3778 posts
Posted on 2/12/23 at 4:39 pm to
I've worked for large chemical companies in the south for almost 30 years. ChE. PE. I've been very successful and have had many different roles, from an individual contributor in highly technical positions to plant management.

The most significant raises I have gotten were due to wage compression or moving to a different company for growth. What your employers are doing is managing the expectations of individuals by giving them a little more some years and a little less other years. Actual performance affects raises very little in my experience.

If your company hasn't adjusted raises due to inflation, they will give you a greater-than-average raise, telling you how wonderful you are doing when they've just been given a little more of a salary budget due to inflation.

When I read your expectations on raises, it makes me a little sad for you. It comes off as you being pleased to get a 5% raise. I suggest changing jobs when you're in this situation so you can get what the market is paying. Otherwise, they'll pay you as little as possible to keep you on if you're meeting the bar.
Posted by StonewallJack
Member since Apr 2008
851 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 1:47 pm to
Walk in their and demand a raise. If they decline, find another job
Posted by CorkRockingham
Member since Jun 2017
502 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 3:08 pm to
It’s wild that a professional degreed engineer with 10 years earn so little.

I guess what I envisioned when I was young thinking of engineers and how a single income could a raise a family in a nice house with a stay at home wife and fully funded retirement.

Ehhh. Not so on that salary these days.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20176 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 3:19 pm to
quote:

It’s wild that a professional degreed engineer with 10 years earn so little.

I guess what I envisioned when I was young thinking of engineers and how a single income could a raise a family in a nice house with a stay at home wife and fully funded retirement.

Ehhh. Not so on that salary these days.


You weren't wrong. I'm a Elec E. I have a stay-at-home wife and 3 kids. She quit her job when I was only making $60k/yr. We had/have a nice, reasonable house and I have always maintained 15% retirement contributions.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 3:20 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22516 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:23 am to
quote:

It’s wild that a professional degreed engineer with 10 years earn so little. I guess what I envisioned when I was young thinking of engineers and how a single income could a raise a family in a nice house with a stay at home wife and fully funded retirement. Ehhh. Not so on that salary these days.


Some of ya’ll need to really get a reality check on true salaries. Op is also getting a 8% bonus which puts him at $142k. How much do you guys think engineers make? Again, we are talking actual engineers and not management or executives.

If you asked the avg professional with a 4 year degree if they’d be happy making $142k in 10 years after college they’d likely say absolutely yes.

I realize he is a chem E and some of them in certain industries are paid extremely well.

Most of the better/ smarter engineers find this out early and move into management where they get larger bumps. There’s not many guys that are just like an engineer III that have say 25 years of experience and make say $160k. Unless you are talking like a government position where they are just on cruise control.

ETA: my buddy is a GS15 on Eglin AFB which has probably as many engineers as any government location with his masters in EE, his salary range is like $120k-145k. He has between 10-15 years of experience. Given this is a GS position and he has turned down private sector jobs as he wants to put in his 20. But thats just an example that OP’s not abnormally low by any means.

This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 7:27 am
Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1652 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:07 am to
Still seems low. I am a middle school teacher for 9 years (career changer) and I am at 84,000.

My wife is an MSL and she will make over 220k this year with bonuses.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90105 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:12 am to
What’s an MSL?
Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1652 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:25 am to
Medical Science Liaison for big pharma. She leveraged her pharmD degree into this career.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58005 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:12 am to
quote:

EE with PE
hard to find... you want a job?
Posted by jsk020
Nola
Member since Jan 2013
1738 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:21 am to
quote:

hard to find... you want a job?


Not currently looking but always open to talking if the opportunity is great
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