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Advice for relative - Over 75 with 401K

Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:30 pm
Posted by Tigerfan1274
Member since May 2019
3137 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:30 pm
I have a relative closing in on 80 who has about $500K in a 401K. They are getting yearly RMDs. The 401K is all in stable value funds making about 0.5 to 1% a year. At that age, should they just cash out and put into a savings account? TIA.
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15097 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:36 pm to
quote:

At that age, should they just cash out and put into a savings account?


Cashing out to give the govt 25-35% of $500K in taxes sounds like a terrible plan
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 3:37 pm
Posted by ynlvr
Rocket City
Member since Feb 2009
4587 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:40 pm to
Is there no option within the 401k for money market or something that will guarantee better than .05 to 1% return?
Posted by UltimaParadox
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2008
40848 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:42 pm to
Is there no way to move the money around in the 401K? If not I would suggest rolling into an IRA so you do have options
Posted by Tigerfan1274
Member since May 2019
3137 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:54 pm to
Thank you for the replies. I will check on those options.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4087 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:55 pm to
quote:

Is there no way to move the money around in the 401K? If not I would suggest rolling into an IRA so you do have options


^^^ This ^^^
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2132 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 6:59 pm to
What is their objective? Access to cash, growth of principle to pass on, increase performance? Are they living on the RMDs and want more?
As others have said dont just pull it all out in one year or there will be big tax consequences. Besides, if it isnt all used, what gets inherited can grow another 10 years tax differed so keeping it stashed in a 401k or IRA as long as possible is advantageous unless perhaps owner is in a lower bracket than those that will inherit it.

No offense, but if you're providing the advice and first instinct was withdraw it all and move to savings account, you shouldnt be offering any advice until you get informed. Seek a fee only fiduciary advisor that doesnt charge an assets under management fee. The relative did alright accruing $500k in 401k I'd guess they have at least a better clue what theyre doing than what you suggested right out the gate.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2132 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 7:13 pm to
Please tell us you're not joint on said savings account.

Or should I say, "tell us you're joint on said savings account without telling us you're on their savings account."
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 8:16 pm
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
62423 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:16 pm to
I think the first think someone that age needs to do is figure out what their yearly expenses are…How much does their SS pay and their over on any Medicare extra options and monthly meds and living expenses. As far as investing options, look at a good dividend ETF that will pay monthly/quarterly, so they don’t have to eat into their principal. A good ETF could add an extra 30-50 thousand a year without ever touching principal at that level, so they could still pass on a good nest egg ….
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119119 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 6:41 am to
Bonds
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
1613 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 7:14 am to
At a minimum they should be in treasuries in an IRA. Build a bond ladder at Fidelity. You’d get 3.5%-4.5% building a 1-10 year ladder.
This post was edited on 5/20/23 at 7:19 am
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
1137 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 10:18 am to
Spend it. Use a bond ladder for what is left.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
7694 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 10:43 am to
I am getting close to 5% on my idle cash. Look into different investment options.
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4465 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 11:12 am to
Pull it all out, put half on black, then the other half on hookers and blow.
Posted by Oizers
Member since Nov 2009
2643 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:52 pm to
JEPI
Posted by WB Davis
Member since May 2018
2061 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 3:33 pm to
Had an older family member who eventually needed expensive assisted-living care.

The facility burned through well over $500K in a few years until he effectively had nothing and could qualify for Medicaid.

You might talk to a good estate planning attorney about any options to shield some of those funds.

It sucked to see a strong, independent person penniless in his last years.

Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
10564 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 3:42 pm to
quote:

Had an older family member who eventually needed expensive assisted-living care. The facility burned through well over $500K in a few years until he effectively had nothing and could qualify for Medicaid.


This is essentially the objective for those assisted living centers. I will never allow myself to be subjected to that or have them spin up claims against my assets.

It'd be cheaper to just have in home care. Or if things are bad enough they can smother me with a pillow.

I'm not letting those crooks rob my family
Posted by PetroBabich
Donetsk Oblast
Member since Apr 2017
4615 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 6:03 pm to
quote:

The facility burned through well over $500K in a few years until he effectively had nothing and could qualify for Medicaid.


How long was he in assisted living facilities?
Posted by natsoundup
Simpsonville, SC, Jupiter, FL,
Member since May 2013
367 posts
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:42 pm to
Roll over into Ira. 50 percent preferred stock, 40 percent bond CEf, 10 percent money market. Live off the average 8 per cent interest
Posted by WB Davis
Member since May 2018
2061 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 11:20 am to
It was a good-quality assisted living facility, close to his home.

I recall they burned through well over $150K per year toward the end when care got complicated.

I understand the other poster's sentiment of "just strangle me with a pillow" but if your family members love you that ain't going to happen.

ETA: I recall that Medicaid looks carefully at any gifts to the applicant's family for several years, so this needs to be planned carefully with the attorney.

If you're unlucky enough to be in charge of the family member's finances, you can expect your greediest in-laws who feel entitled to a share of the inheritance to greatly complicate things - not exactly suggesting you suffocate the guy with a pillow but not far off.
This post was edited on 5/22/23 at 12:26 pm
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