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re: About to get somewhat large amount of money and would like advice my current plans for it

Posted on 4/19/23 at 11:54 pm to
Posted by Bill Parker?
Member since Jan 2013
4987 posts
Posted on 4/19/23 at 11:54 pm to
If you plan to do a 1031, start planning a few months back.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
36957 posts
Posted on 4/20/23 at 12:21 am to
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1. Put it into a 1031 exchange and buy something bigger to defer the tax hit. Somewhat skeptical here bc I am tired of being a landlord. If I do this it will def be set up and managed through a RE management company so I will be a lot more hands off then what I am selling now. This keeps some cash flow coming in every month via a passive Real estate business which I am already used to.
This path is entirely dependent on the price of the exchanged asset. I would certainly not want to overpay just for the sake of deferring the taxes. But if you find something actually compelling, then you should absolutely consider this - insofar as you wind up with a work load you are comfortable with.

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2. Take the money, pay the capital gains on the profit, and whatever is left over (will be over 500K left after taxes) use that to pay my house off. My note on principal and interest is $2,000 a month and I owe just over 400K on home so will be house note free. My interest rate on my home is 2.75 and I have about 27 years or so left on term if I don’t make any extra payments for what it’s worth when considering this option.
I can't imagine even considering this "option". You are borrowing at a clearly negative real rate for 27 more years - with no prepayment penalty and no margin call. This is an asset, not a liability.

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3. Invest in something super safe like a CD or Bonds and take advantage of the higher interest rates while they’re here and use that interest income to pay my house note instead of just paying it off. That way I keep nest egg there and if interest rates ever drop I can take it out and still pay off the house but just owe less and be able to keep more of the money after it’s paid off.
I'm not exactly sure what you are saying, but you need to lose this concept of "paying off" the house. Your goal should be to have that mortgage outstanding for as long as possible

You haven't listed the rest of your financial situation, so it's impossible for anyone to give you any actual relevant advice. If you tell us your net worth away from all of this is $50 Million, then it doesn't matter what you do. If you tell us this will be your ONLY money after the sale, then it's the opposite.

Need more info...
Posted by buffbraz
Member since Nov 2005
5721 posts
Posted on 4/20/23 at 6:58 am to
Maybe present the entire picture on Bogleheads website? Or ask a fiduciary fee only CFP for advice? I know it costs some money but big dollars can lead to big mistakes and you don’t know what you don’t know.
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
11429 posts
Posted on 4/20/23 at 11:18 am to
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2. Take the money, pay the capital gains on the profit, and whatever is left over (will be over 500K left after taxes) use that to pay my house off. My note on principal and interest is $2,000 a month and I owe just over 400K on home so will be house note free. My interest rate on my home is 2.75 and I have about 27 years or so left on term if I don’t make any extra payments for what it’s worth when considering this option.



I wouldn't pay the whole thing off at that rate, but I would seriously consider paying enough to remove PMI. It could be a very quick ROI.
Posted by wasteland
City of peace
Member since Apr 2011
5907 posts
Posted on 4/20/23 at 1:44 pm to
Do not pay off house. If you decide not to 1031 it, then bonds are definitely the play if you want a safer return then stocks. Attractive yields right now and Will appreciate when they cut rates soon
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12706 posts
Posted on 4/20/23 at 2:39 pm to
I am confused on why I my comment was downvoted…. Why not keep the TE money in the RE world and look to become a limited partner in a larger deal somewhere?
Posted by BullredsRus
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
754 posts
Posted on 4/20/23 at 3:51 pm to
As for rest of my financial situation, we make what I would think is above average income annually and are not living paycheck to paycheck. Total net worth is right at 2.3 Million by my calculations or very close to it. Have A 6 plus month safety net and n savings and 2 other properties that I have good equity in each. Past that no other debt I pay cash for everything and credit card is paid in full every month. It is not my only money and I don’t intend to use it for anything personally. Want it to remain as “retirement money”. Whether that is invested in more real estate, or another business venture or just put into the market, either way I don’t plan on touching much if any of it short term.

And btw it is abundantly clear that paying off my house note is a bad idea. So thanks to all for that. When everyone is telling you to run from an idea it’s pretty eye opening. I like the idea of being house note free but I see what everyone is saying at the same time. So will eliminate that option from this scenario. Thanks again for any and all advice here.
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 7:07 pm to
You could always put $400k for the house payoff in Tbills or some other high yield safe instrument. That way you win twice. Have piece of mind that you could pay it off if you wanted and still earn a couple points on the interest spread.

Heck, you could peel $2k a month off of the $400k to pay your note . That way your still making money on the spread and have $2k/month “extra “ cash flow to invest/spend/whatever.
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 7:27 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
36957 posts
Posted on 4/20/23 at 9:44 pm to
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As for rest of my financial situation, we make what I would think is above average income annually and are not living paycheck to paycheck. Total net worth is right at 2.3 Million by my calculations or very close to it. Have A 6 plus month safety net and n savings and 2 other properties that I have good equity in each. Past that no other debt I pay cash for everything and credit card is paid in full every month. It is not my only money and I don’t intend to use it for anything personally. Want it to remain as “retirement money”. Whether that is invested in more real estate, or another business venture or just put into the market, either way I don’t plan on touching much if any of it short term.
Great, thanks for the context. Mind saying how old you are (ish)?

If you've got a ways to go, I would think it would be fine to be more aggressive than bonds. I have a couple of good recommendations on mutual funds and public closed-end investment companies that I think are a good way to tread water here with a high positive yield and good upside potential without much downside risk. That's maybe how I would go until there's something more obvious to do in the market itself.

LMK if interested.

ETA: if you're 41, you should be more active than just "this is for retirement" money.
This post was edited on 4/21/23 at 10:31 am
Posted by Tygra
Bee Are
Member since Jan 2008
425 posts
Posted on 4/21/23 at 6:42 am to
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I do have market exposure. I am 41 years old and between my wife and I as of today our current value of our IRA/401K’s is $580K


From his previous post.
Posted by Sterling Archer
Member since Aug 2012
7896 posts
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:08 am to
Already a lot of good advice so just here to say congrats! Make the right moves and you’ll retire early!
Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
4752 posts
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:17 am to
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My current opinion is I have a few options.

1. Put it into a 1031 exchange and buy something bigger to defer the tax hit. Somewhat skeptical here bc I am tired of being a landlord. If I do this it will def be set up and managed through a RE management company so I will be a lot more hands off then what I am selling now. This keeps some cash flow coming in every month via a passive Real estate business which I am already used to.



1031 into RE that is higher end with higher rents and less headache. I've found my most expensive rentals are by far the easiest ones.
Posted by MikeD
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
7868 posts
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:35 am to
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Or ask a fiduciary fee only CFP for advice? I know it costs some money but big dollars can lead to big mistakes and you don’t know what you don’t know.


This is probably the answer
Posted by SalE
At the beach
Member since Jan 2020
2685 posts
Posted on 4/21/23 at 8:09 pm to
1. Don't ask for advice here
2. I abhor paying taxes
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 8:55 am to
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I do have market exposure. I am 41 years old and between my wife and I as of today our current value of our IRA/401K’s is $580K



Congratulations on being a millionaire.

You’re fairly young, so if this all went to “Super safe” investments, you’re going to be fairly heavy on them- assuming you have zero in bonds/cash/gold in the 401k, this would put you at 50/50 stocks/bonds. Even the most conservative recommendations say that your age in bonds is a good target (it’s a bit too conservative for me).

Assuming a fixed rate mortgage on your other property, i would drag it out another 27 years- your rate is less than the cost of inflation recently, and you won’t refinance into something like that again.


Kids? Plans to pay for school? Good way to get into 529s (I’m not sure about actual benefit here…you can take an income tax deduction for the money that goes in, don’t think there’s a way to do a 1031 into a 529, but be benefit would almost certainly be better to take on the income side anyway. You can also take an income deduction by paying tuition directly years from now if I’m not mistaken, so you get some free growth with some strings attached).

If I got an unexpected check like this, it would go to my taxable account. We have a few items on a list that we are going to work towards in the next few years (still have about $30K of med school loans 5 years out of training, new car for wife, outdoor kitchen, sealing the attic with foam and decking it so it becomes a more suitable place to store things). We may pick one or two of those items with an influx (rather than making extra payments or increasing the monthly amount, we both agree to just wait until we’ve saved about $30K extra and hit it at once - we have had a lot of curveballs the last few years and keep a bit larger emergency fund that we don’t like to touch) but our main goal is retirement/financial security. So most of this would go into a taxable account with our standard investments (60% SPY, 20% small cap, 20% total international).


Now, in 2020 I front loaded my SIMPLE IRA and watched the market plummet 3 days later. I would’ve been quite a bit better off by investing periodically (monthly) than throwing it in up front. So there’s a decent argument to put it in at regular intervals or dollar cost averaging over 6-24 months. But I would probably lump it in the day I got it except for the amount I set aside for “fun “ as above.
Posted by Stamps74
Member since Nov 2017
1106 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 9:33 am to
Maybe I missed it, what did you end up doing ? Are you satisfied with that choice after doing it?
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38307 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 9:45 am to
If you are serious about building wealth, 1031 is the only answer.

Posted by BullredsRus
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
754 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 3:29 pm to
I used about 350K as 1031 money into 2 new rentals. They net about $2,200 a month give or take after taking out taxes management fees and insurance. So created some more passive income which has been nice. Trying to figure out what I will do with balance which I should receive in about 4 weeks when 1031 period is over. Actually came here to research what to do with that when I saw this post asking what I wound up doing. I feel like I saw something about a fund listed here that pays 9-11 percent pretty consistently but I can’t seem to find it now. I just want it to remain liquid in case a great deal comes along on either another rental or even a business to buy into. But I also don’t want it just sitting in the bank.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24726 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 6:37 pm to
There aren’t 9-11% consistent funds. You can get 5% easily right now though and it’s practically risk free.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22449 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 8:16 pm to
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There aren’t 9-11% consistent funds. You can get 5% easily right now though and it’s practically risk free.


This!!! If someone is selling you ‘guaranteed’ or consistent 9-11% I’d run. It’s almost definitely a scam
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