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re: You have to fire Alleva right now
Posted on 12/17/15 at 12:58 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Posted on 12/17/15 at 12:58 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Altering a contract, and don't even say he may not have known because this is one of the things that's almost entirely exclusive to his job, is unforgivable. This sends a loud and clear message to any coach or potential coach who works for LSU that they can't trust their boss. A lot of you want Miles gone, but this affects Orgeron (who is said to be negotiating a new deal as we speak), every other assistant who will be coming up for a contract soon, and... a potential new HC next year. Firing Alleva now allows two things to happen. First, it sheds a bit of the lame duck label that has been applied to the staff as the guy who organized the coup is gone. Secondly, it brings in an AD who has no baggage with Miles, and who is free to make a decision about him after next season which can easily be explained as wanting his own hire in place. Fire Joe now, and you have a couple months to explain to recruits that things are different. If next year doesn't work out, you have the guy in place who can fire him.
Kudos. GREAT post!!!
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Secondly, it brings in an AD who has no baggage with Miles, and who is free to make a decision about him after next season which can easily be explained as wanting his own hire in place.
We could follow the UF Machen formula, hiring Machen away from Utah and paving the way for Meyer. Maybe Mack Rhoades at Mizzou. Pretty impressive looking resume:
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He's the guy who targeted and hired Herman at Houston. He only took over at Mizzou last April. Who knows? Maybe he's disgusted by the shitshow that has taken place up there and would be willing to listen.
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:00 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
just stay tuned
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:03 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Altering a contract, and don't even say he may not have known because this is one of the things that's almost entirely exclusive to his job, is unforgivable.
Depending on the details of what was altered, this is almost impossible to argue against.
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This sends a loud and clear message to any coach or potential coach who works for LSU that they can't trust their boss. A lot of you want Miles gone, but this affects Orgeron (who is said to be negotiating a new deal as we speak), every other assistant who will be coming up for a contract soon, and... a potential new HC next year.
Assuming there isn't a reasonable explanation, I 100% agree.
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Firing Alleva now allows two things to happen. First, it sheds a bit of the lame duck label that has been applied to the staff as the guy who organized the coup is gone.
This is huge. The damage that was done by publicly labeling Miles as a lame duck is the single biggest issue the program has right now.
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Secondly, it brings in an AD who has no baggage with Miles, and who is free to make a decision about him after next season which can easily be explained as wanting his own hire in place.
Can't argue with this.
Honestly, this is one of the best posts I've read on here. LSU needs to separate itself from Alleva.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:03 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Welp.....I agree with all of that.
Solid post is solid.
Solid post is solid.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:04 pm to Tigerdew
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The board may like having a puppet like Alleva in that position.
I am concerned that the exact opposite could happen. I'm not sure if Alleva is a puppet or not. This is merely a hunch, but my impression is that he was working offline behind the scenes to orchestrate Miles being replaced by Jimbo.
But you know Alexander is going to stamp out any and all dissent with his new hire. Let's be frank about this.
There is absolutely ZERO chance of a new, incoming AD making firing Miles his first order of business after one season. Just no way. So Tiger fans who want Miles gone should be cognizant of this before joining this Fire Alleva 'wagon.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:08 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Fire him for what? An article that says nothing? U got click baited by Ross again.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:11 pm to Lou Pai
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There is absolutely ZERO chance of a new, incoming AD making firing Miles his first order of business after one season. Just no way. So Tiger fans who want Miles gone should be cognizant of this before joining this Fire Alleva 'wagon.
Completely untrue. Texas is in the middle of doing this exact same thing. I won't say it's commonplace, but new ADs can and have expedited coaching change under the notion they don't see eye to eye with the current guy.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:13 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
The minute this story hit the paper, Alexander should be on the way over the building with LSUPD to walk Alleva off campus.
What a fricking idiot. I literally can't believe this...WTF?!
What a fricking idiot. I literally can't believe this...WTF?!
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:20 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
The dynamics of that situation are entirely different.
It's very obvious that there is somewhat of a power struggle among the higher ups involved. The likes of Perry and McCollister are lamenting the fact that LSU's boosters and alumni seem to care more about football success than academic prestige. Others seem to have a different view on this matter. Alexander has taken his stance. He's simply not going to bring in a guy under the premise that Miles is on an exceptionally short leash and needs to make a coaching search the top priority should LSU continue to underperform in 2016.
It's very obvious that there is somewhat of a power struggle among the higher ups involved. The likes of Perry and McCollister are lamenting the fact that LSU's boosters and alumni seem to care more about football success than academic prestige. Others seem to have a different view on this matter. Alexander has taken his stance. He's simply not going to bring in a guy under the premise that Miles is on an exceptionally short leash and needs to make a coaching search the top priority should LSU continue to underperform in 2016.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:23 pm to Giantkiller
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The minute this story hit the paper, Alexander should be on the way over the building with LSUPD to walk Alleva off campus.
Screw due process. Hang him first and try him later.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:27 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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All I want for Christmas is Alleva's arse out the door.
agree 100%
sooner better than later
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:28 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
I have said this for years. and have tweet FireAlleva.com too many times to cite. (No real website though) Did this come from a deposition, where is your cite?
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:29 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:I'll donate one to your cause
My only regret is that I have but one up-vote to give.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:33 pm to Lou Pai
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There is absolutely ZERO chance of a new, incoming AD making firing Miles his first order of business after one season. Just no way. So Tiger fans who want Miles gone should be cognizant of this before joining this Fire Alleva 'wagon.
Miles has nothing to do with this. This is about the competence of an AD.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:37 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
How we ever hired this guy after he royally fricked up the Duke lacrosse scandal is beyond me.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:38 pm to mikeytig
Welp.
Anyone with a contract with LSU needs to ask LSU for the school's copy and do a comparison. I cant believe anyone would do this and THEN go to court. WTF. Just pay Chavis and stay out of court if you are shady to this level. Anyone who knew of the alteration needs to be fired ASAP.
Anyone with a contract with LSU needs to ask LSU for the school's copy and do a comparison. I cant believe anyone would do this and THEN go to court. WTF. Just pay Chavis and stay out of court if you are shady to this level. Anyone who knew of the alteration needs to be fired ASAP.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:43 pm to Lou Pai
I'm not following how this;
Makes any difference in regards to your next statement;
He won't bring in a new guy under that premise. He'll bring in a new guy under the premise that he just fired Alleva.
The point you're missing is Joe isn't being fired and a new AD brought in with the exclusive task of making firing Miles more palatable to public perception. Joe is being fired because for the second time in a month he's been shown to be awful at his job, and the second offense is unforgivable in nature. Tampering with a contract simply isn't done. The notion that said new AD may have an easier time firing Miles, if it even comes to that, due to the new regime perception is secondary but still very beneficial to LSU.
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It's very obvious that there is somewhat of a power struggle among the higher ups involved. The likes of Perry and McCollister are lamenting the fact that LSU's boosters and alumni seem to care more about football success than academic prestige. Others seem to have a different view on this matter. Alexander has taken his stance.
Makes any difference in regards to your next statement;
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He's simply not going to bring in a guy under the premise that Miles is on an exceptionally short leash and needs to make a coaching search the top priority should LSU continue to underperform in 2016.
He won't bring in a new guy under that premise. He'll bring in a new guy under the premise that he just fired Alleva.
The point you're missing is Joe isn't being fired and a new AD brought in with the exclusive task of making firing Miles more palatable to public perception. Joe is being fired because for the second time in a month he's been shown to be awful at his job, and the second offense is unforgivable in nature. Tampering with a contract simply isn't done. The notion that said new AD may have an easier time firing Miles, if it even comes to that, due to the new regime perception is secondary but still very beneficial to LSU.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:55 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Alleva and Alexander should both be fired if it is proven that the changes they made cause us to lose this case. Alleva reports directly to Alexander. That means both knew about this. Malfeasance in office is a fire-able offense.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:00 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
I'm not missing anything. Let me help you out here. I believe two things:
-Alleva wanted to part ways with Miles. Reading between the lines, it seems that bringing in a great football coach would be something he aspires to, like every AD's dream. He seemed to have backing from some key players, and had the rug pulled out from under him.
-Alexander has made his position about LSU athletics abundantly clear. He is 100% not going to hire a guy that would rock the boat in his first year. Not with the backdrop of the current budget issues, outspoken members of the media such as Bob Mann criticizing LSU's priorities, and the general backlash LSU has received for its treatment of Miles in the past 6 weeks.
It's foolish and naive to think he will allow someone in that will aid the boosters in usurping any power he has over LSU. Not when there's so much at stake, in his eyes. He has no incentive. On the other hand, he's going to bring in a guy that will "wait and see" for another couple of years, familiarizing himself with the culture of the fans and the politics of the boosters, before making any tough decisions.
-Alleva wanted to part ways with Miles. Reading between the lines, it seems that bringing in a great football coach would be something he aspires to, like every AD's dream. He seemed to have backing from some key players, and had the rug pulled out from under him.
-Alexander has made his position about LSU athletics abundantly clear. He is 100% not going to hire a guy that would rock the boat in his first year. Not with the backdrop of the current budget issues, outspoken members of the media such as Bob Mann criticizing LSU's priorities, and the general backlash LSU has received for its treatment of Miles in the past 6 weeks.
It's foolish and naive to think he will allow someone in that will aid the boosters in usurping any power he has over LSU. Not when there's so much at stake, in his eyes. He has no incentive. On the other hand, he's going to bring in a guy that will "wait and see" for another couple of years, familiarizing himself with the culture of the fans and the politics of the boosters, before making any tough decisions.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:02 pm to PierreTigre7
Let's let it leak out that Joe and Alexander are fired, then at the last minute have a press conference with Miles announcing that he has a quality quality want for Alleva and Alexander to remain !
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