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re: You decide if the HIT was dirty. Slow motion at the end
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:34 pm to Newbomb Turk
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:34 pm to Newbomb Turk
quote:
pass was dirty
YES. Whoever earlier said this was a stupid statement needs to rewatch that play. The play was clearly designed to go to Toliver from the start. The point is to hit him beyond the corner and in front of the safety. To do so requires some zip on the ball. JL lobbed it. Was it an accurate pass? YES. Was it timed well/thrown with appropriate velocity? NO.
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:37 pm to KenDawg
quote:
A "defenseless" player is one without the ball.
The rules are clearly intended to protect players about to catch or in the act of catching the ball (from concussions) IMO
quote:
PROTECTION OF DEFENSELESS PLAYERS—In 2008, the committee introduced a separate rule prohibiting initiating contact with and targeting a defenseless opponent (Rule 9-1-3). The following are situations in which defenseless players are susceptible to serious injury:
• The quarterback moving down the line of scrimmage who has handed or pitched the ball to a teammate, and then makes no attempt to participate further in the play;
• The kicker who is in the act of kicking the ball, or who has not had a reasonable length of time to regain his balance after the kick;
• The passer who is in the act of throwing the ball, or who has not had a reasonable length of time to participate in the play again after releasing the ball;
• The pass receiver whose concentration is on the ball;
• The pass receiver who has clearly relaxed when the pass is no longer catchable;
• The kick receiver whose attention is on the downward flight of the ball;
• The kick receiver who has just touched the ball;
• The player who has relaxed once the ball has become dead; and
• The player who is obviously out of the play.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:37 pm to TechDawg2007
quote:
You decide if the HIT was dirty.
Dirty? No.
Illegal...without question.
He'd be $30,000 lighter this week if he was playing in the NFL...
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:39 pm to molsusports
I don't think objective folks can advance a principled argument that it was a lawful hit.
The "dirty " hit issue is an entirely subjective inquiry, there are no "rules".
However, this was not a purely reactive impulse by the DB. He had time to measure his man and, take away the catch.
What clearly makes it a "dirty" hit for me is that the DB not only launched himself to the head, but required impressive effort to get there, b/c the WR was 6'5" and also in the air.
Good effort, athletic leap, but dirty hit and a personal foul to boot.
The "dirty " hit issue is an entirely subjective inquiry, there are no "rules".
However, this was not a purely reactive impulse by the DB. He had time to measure his man and, take away the catch.
What clearly makes it a "dirty" hit for me is that the DB not only launched himself to the head, but required impressive effort to get there, b/c the WR was 6'5" and also in the air.
Good effort, athletic leap, but dirty hit and a personal foul to boot.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:41 pm to GeauxTigerTM
To say it was dirty would take me knowing more about the kind of player the safety was/is. As I don't know him to be questionable he should get the benefit of the doubt
But clearly the hit was illegal - a helmet to helmet hit of the type likely to cause head injuries (and clearly defined to be against the rules)
But clearly the hit was illegal - a helmet to helmet hit of the type likely to cause head injuries (and clearly defined to be against the rules)
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:49 pm to KenDawg
quote:
It is also a foul if a player targets a defenseless opponent and initiates contact above the shoulders. Each of these is a personal foul and thus carries a 15-yard penalty.
quote:Did you even read the rules 2 posts above? Or you just unable to comprehend it? I am not even saying it was dirty. But it was clearly illegal.
A "defenseless" player is one without the ball. You cannot hit a defenseless player in the head. Toliver had the ball.
Another RULE is that you can't lead with the CROWN of the helmet. Boyd was face-up and hit Toliver with his facemask.
There was no RULE violated and the ref agreed, he is clearly shown standing right there.
The RULE is not a penalty for any helmet-to-helmet contact. It's leading with the crown.
This post was edited on 11/18/09 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:54 pm to KenDawg
quote:
A "defenseless" player is one without the ball. You cannot hit a defenseless player in the head. Toliver had the ball.
Feel free to find those words in here...we'll wait.
PROTECTION OF DEFENSELESS PLAYERS—In 2008, the committee
introduced a separate rule prohibiting initiating contact with and targeting a
defenseless opponent (Rule 9-1-3).
The following are situations in which defenseless players are susceptible to
serious injury:
• The quarterback moving down the line of scrimmage who has handed or
pitched the ball to a teammate, and then makes no attempt to participate
further in the play;
• The kicker who is in the act of kicking the ball, or who has not had a
reasonable length of time to regain his balance after the kick;
• The passer who is in the act of throwing the ball, or who has not had a
reasonable length of time to participate in the play again after releasing the
ball;
• The pass receiver whose concentration is on the ball;
• The pass receiver who has clearly relaxed when the pass is no longer
catchable;
• The kick receiver whose attention is on the downward flight of the ball;
• The kick receiver who has just touched the ball;
• The player who has relaxed once the ball has become dead; and
• The player who is obviously out of the play.
It could certainly be more specific, but simply looking at the other examples (all without the ball) and assuming it means that in this case is silly given the way it's been being called all season. It's been called MULTIPLE TIMES this season in cases far less severe than this one.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:59 pm to TechDawg2007
quote:
it was not a dirty hit
Do you, by any chance, work for the SEC?
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:02 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Some of you guys have trouble with reading comprehension. The question is "where was contact initiated" not "did the helmets collide." Contact was initiated below the shoulders. Contact of the helmets occurred later. Read Rule 9-1-3 again.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:10 pm to TechDawg2007
The snap back of the receiver's head after the defender's HELMET hits it makes it obvious to anyone but an abject IDIOT that this was an illegal hit. Should have been a personal foul helmet-to-helmet.
Karma is a bitch. Defender better be watching his back. It played hell on the Auburn creep that tried to take out Dorsey.
Karma is a bitch. Defender better be watching his back. It played hell on the Auburn creep that tried to take out Dorsey.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:11 pm to LaTechIsBetter
quote:
Some of you guys have trouble with reading comprehension. The question is "where was contact initiated" not "did the helmets collide." Contact was initiated below the shoulders. Contact of the helmets occurred later.
Go to the 31 second mark of the replay... you can see contact was initiated with the helmet and the body essentially hit incidentally afterwards
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:16 pm to LaTechIsBetter
quote:
Some of you guys have trouble with reading comprehension. The question is "where was contact initiated" not "did the helmets collide." Contact was initiated below the shoulders. Contact of the helmets occurred later. Read Rule 9-1-3 again.
Some of you need to watch the video again. I don't think there was any contact below the shoulders, let alone initiative contact. All contact was even with or above the shoulders.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:18 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
quote:
Some of you need to watch the video again. I don't think there was any contact below the shoulders, let alone initiative contact. All contact was even with or above the shoulders.
You need to follow you own advice. Go look again at 0:36.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:18 pm to TechDawg2007
he launched and lead with the crown of his helmet.
that is the textbook dirty hit.
that is the textbook dirty hit.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:18 pm to LaTechIsBetter
quote:I would say the same about you. The helmet was the first thing that hit, not his arms.
LaTechIsBetter
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:20 pm to saderade
Not dirty, but definitely a penalty.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:31 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
LaTechIsBetter is yanking your chain trying to get as many pages as possible.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:52 pm to heartbreakTiger
who cares...you lost...frick off...next....
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:59 pm to floridachad
quote:
who cares...you lost...frick off...next....
Obviously you do since you clicked on the thread and posted.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 3:06 pm to Krypto
quote:
The first part of his helmet that hits the facemask of TT is NOT the facemask, it is ABOVE the facemask.
this. without question.
illegal
And for the tech guy saying he led with his forearms...
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