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re: Woodward Basketball Coaching Hires
Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:39 pm to LosTigres251
Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:39 pm to LosTigres251
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Well, yes, you are on this.
Johnson, Kelly and Mulkey. Not everyone is perfect at new hires in any profession. Who would you have chosen?
Where did I criticize these hires? I've said repeatedly he's made good hires in other sports. I've just asked what can be done to improve the one sport he seems to struggle with. It is amazing the complete and total lack of reading comprehension skills on this board.
ETA. To the extent you are asking who I would have hired instead of MM. The first answer is I'm not blowing up my program until it is absolutely necessary. If I am going to blow it up and I don't have to pay a buyout to Wade (which he didn't), I'm going to spend $3.5-4MM/year to find someone that can build and sustain a program. Instead he shopped on $2.5MM a year aisle and found a guy that has never had to build a program, but instead took over a traditionally good mid-major program and maintained its success (for the most part).
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 3:09 pm
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:40 pm to Mickey Goldmill
You make a good point but LSU had propelled itself into the top 5 of the SEC so those programs weren’t at the same level LSU was last spring. The one commonality with us and those at the time of their hires is all of the programs had no investment in basketball. The real reason McMahon has no chance here is because he has no support. He’s not the worst coach in the world but to win here you not only have to overcome the SEC opponents but the wasteland that is LSU basketball. It takes someone special to do that and he’s not special.
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:40 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Drew and Beard didn’t have 5 top 100 players on their roster either. Beard had 0, Drew had 1 his first year and 0 the second.
Pearl had 2 his first year. Kelvin had 3.
McMahon did LESS with more and showed ZERO halftime adjustments. We didn’t just lose, we got our asses kicked in most of the SEC games.
Pearl had 2 his first year. Kelvin had 3.
McMahon did LESS with more and showed ZERO halftime adjustments. We didn’t just lose, we got our asses kicked in most of the SEC games.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:43 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Murray State and took the Cincinnati job, it took him 5 years just to reach 20 wins? He went 2-14 his first year in conference.
We aren’t Cincy. And he adjusted just fine when he made the jump to UCLA.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:43 pm to BDtiger5
quote:Except for football and Brian Kelly, the men's basketball team was the second most important hire if you are looking at finances. Men's basketball potentially pulls in ten times as much money as women's and baseball combined. If you are an AD, the financial integrity of your department should be your greatest concern.
He literally just hired Brian Kelly, jay Johnson, and Kim mulkey and you want to fire him cause a first year basketball coach with a program under scrutiny from the NCAA who had to rebuild and recruit an entire roster in his first season didn’t do well?
Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:44 pm to Madking
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We could’ve gone the innovative route with an up and coming coach like a Paul Mills
Paul Mills is 50 years old.
Matt McMahon is 44.
Paul Mills has a .558 overall record in 6 seasons at Oral Roberts, .629 in conference. 1 season (this one) with 20 wins.
Matt McMahon had a .697 overall record in 7 seasons at Murray State, .750 conference record. 4 seasons with 20 wins.
Different programs to be sure, but come on. You can't possibly argue we should have hired Mills after his 19-12 season last year over McMahon's 31-3 season and the success he had years prior.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:45 pm to UnluckyTiger
You either have to be a great tactician and great teacher of basketball or a great recruiter to build a program. McMahon is neither, he’s just a decent basketball coach. If he were at a blue blood program he could maybe win 20 games a year but he’s here where every year the deck is stacked against you in every way.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:45 pm to Old Money
1 season does not make or break a Coach. Especially with the circumstance surrounding the program. McMahon could very well pan out to be a bad hire. But after 1 year you cannot come to that conclusion.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:47 pm to UnluckyTiger
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Uh yeah, we do. That was an ABYSMAL season.
Cannot judge a hiring of a Coach and his ability off 1 damn season.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:48 pm to UnluckyTiger
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We aren’t Cincy.
Some of y'all just keep ignoring the state of the LSU Basketball program when McMahon was hired.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:51 pm to ellessuuuu
If we a have an elite program that will attract top coaches (Kelly and Johnson) or an elite coach that is from Louisiana (Mulkey), then Woodward is fine.
If he actually needs strategy for a job that isn’t top tier, he’s not your guy.
He’s also the same guy that extended Coach O for no reason and gave Jimbo an absurd contract
If he actually needs strategy for a job that isn’t top tier, he’s not your guy.
He’s also the same guy that extended Coach O for no reason and gave Jimbo an absurd contract
Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:51 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Mills inherited a non program and got to the sweet 16 2 years ago knocking off a #2 seed Ohio State, #7 seed Florida and losing by a possession to Arky to get to the elite 8. His offenses are top 10 in the country every year, they’re top 5 in 3s, he comes from Scott Drew’s staff at Baylor and he went 30-4 this season getting Oral Roberts an at large bid. He can do this without talent because he’s innovative and does what the best teams at the highest levels do. He’s beaten more high level opponents than McMahon, had as many trips to the tourney in fewer seasons despite McMahon being at two infinitely better programs. McMahon had the 4th highest winning% of the last 6 Murray State coaches who’s best career win is vs Marquette when he had the best player in the country in his team. He’s 6-29 vs P5 opponents for his career.
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:02 pm to Run DMC
He stuck aTm with Jimbo, for that, Im forever grateful!
They can’t afford to get rid of him!
They can’t afford to get rid of him!
Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:07 pm to PappaSwolio
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Despite popular belief, saying it over and over again will not make it true.
ESPN LSU NOTICE OF ALLEGATIONS "WILL WADE UNDER SCRUTINY"
You mean YOU saying it over and over again will not make it true? Because LSU definitely did receive an NOA from the NCAA for Will Wade and the basketball program. That is by definition "scrutiny from the NCAA", not to mention ESPN used the word "scrutiny" directly in the title lol. To what extent, nobody is sure, but to say NONE of this happened is disingenuous at best.
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:10 pm to Geauxstbuster
So did Arizona, so did Kansas, so did Louisville, so did Memphis. 3 of those 4 were in the tournament this year...
Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:13 pm to Geauxstbuster
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To what extent, nobody is sure, but to say NONE of this happened is disingenuous at best.
That is what most people don't comprehend. The question is not whether any of this happened. The question is whether the NCAA can put forth enough allowable information or "evidence" under its bylaws to have sanctions issued by the IARP.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:19 pm to ellessuuuu
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So did Arizona, so did Kansas, so did Louisville, so did Memphis. 3 of those 4 were in the tournament this year...
sure, and i'm not disagreeing with that. i'm just pointing out that there was SOMETHING there, and to act like there wasn't is like sticking your head in the sand. also, those schools rely on basketball revenue way more than LSU. they HAVE to take that risk, because if the curtain calls for their basketball program, that's it. listen, i really liked CWW and thought he would be around for decades. but to jump the AD for the new hire after he's basically knocked almost every other hire here out of the park is insane. we won the SEC west last year in football, are number 1 currently in baseball, and WBB is a 3 seed in the tourney (should have been 2). all of that going on and people want to fire the AD for a hire involving a program that, forget what was happening at other schools, was under NCAA scrutiny. that's madness.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:36 pm to Geauxstbuster
“those schools rely on basketball revenue way more than LSU. they HAVE to take that risk, “
If those programs are much more attractive to coaches it’s actually easier to make a move and hire another good coach. The difference is they know most of the allegations in NOAs are vastly overstated so they’re willing to take that slap on the wrist.
If those programs are much more attractive to coaches it’s actually easier to make a move and hire another good coach. The difference is they know most of the allegations in NOAs are vastly overstated so they’re willing to take that slap on the wrist.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 4:21 pm to ellessuuuu
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Then what's the excuse at Washington? Romar had a lot of success before Woodward arrived.
What about A&M?
If you—begrudgingly, I know—concede that they were both good hires at the time (which is all that hires should be judged on—who were they able to identify based solely on information available to them AT THE TIME, convince the right people they were the right hires, secure money for, make an offer and sell them on a vision to convince them to take the job—what exactly are you suggesting? That Woodward doesn’t care about the 2nd biggest program in his administration? Or worse, that he consciously goes out of his way to sabotage it? What reasonable explanation would there be for either of those?
Posted on 3/17/23 at 4:36 pm to ellessuuuu
At least you girls are predictable. 
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