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re: Woodward Basketball Coaching Hires

Posted on 3/17/23 at 8:28 am to
Posted by Harry Morgan
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 8:28 am to
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 8:39 am to
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especially considering most SEC fanbases don’t give a shite at all about the sport.


And there you have it. You don’t care about basketball so any criticism related lack of success is retarded. Thanks for playing.

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At the time he extended Romar, he’d been to 3 sweet sixteens in 6 years. Was he supposed to know that Romar was going to mail it in afterward? No, and no reasonably rational person would disagree

At the time he hired Buzz Williams, he’d made 8 tournament appearances in 11 years including 3 sweet sixteens and 1 elite eight. He was viewed as a very good hire and he has A&M’s bad program on an obvious upward trajectory


I addressed this a few posts up as well. Maybe the hires aren’t the problem, maybe it’s an allocation of resources problem. None of these coaches who had prior success continued that when working under Scott…

Maybe it’s not the hiring process, maybe is management of basketball programs. Either way, he gets paid a lot of money to oversee all athletics and the one program that was consistently good when he arrived on campus is now in the ditch - and this isn’t the first time this has happened in Scott’s career (see Romar’s drop off under Scott).
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 8:44 am
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 8:44 am to
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No he shouldn’t. Don’t be stupid. He literally just hired Brian Kelly, jay Johnson, and Kim mulkey and you want to fire him cause a first year basketball coach with a program under scrutiny from the NCAA who had to rebuild and recruit an entire roster in his first season didn’t do well? God we have some stupid fans.


Our fans are just the worst
Posted by Lsudave89
Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
Member since Jun 2021
3527 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 8:48 am to
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Despite popular belief, saying it over and over again will not make it true.

There will be no punishment, we are not under scrutiny.

The fact of the matter is that nothing will happen and Wade will end up like Sean Miller at Xavier leading another team (besides McNeese) to an NCAA tournament sooner rather than later.

Your crooked boy Scott bent the knee to the powerless NCAA. He lacks a chest. He should do what is best and step down as Athletic Director and work on losing some fat


First and last time I will ask this question because as a lsu basketball fan this entire back and forth makes me irritable and feel bad. It's over. So here goes:
If CWW were allowed to stay on board by SW do you think that this would have gone away quietly into the night? So to speak. In other words by SW's ( LSU's) proactive measures of cutting CWW lose, although it was painful for me as a fan that the powers outside LSU were going to simply allow this to go away before a pound of flesh? Yes we gave them a few oz's but out of self preservation is my two cents. Now I wish we could get on with LSU sports, be fans of the great and good teams we have now and pull like heck for a turnaround (as we have most years) in basketball. Coming from a 50+ y/o who grew up going to games before Shaq got there as a kid with Nikita, Jose, etc and all the way through...
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 8:51 am
Posted by TheBaker
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 9:39 am to
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I don’t get it. I really don’t understand the ‘fire SOMEBODY’ crowd around here when things go wrong.


It's certainly a strange phenomenon. EVERY single season...EVERY single sport, these brain dead potato heads come out full force. These geniuses actually believe that McMahon would be shown the door after this season, or even next. I remember way back when these same morons (or at least ones like them) calling for Saban's head on multiple occasions.
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 9:48 am
Posted by ccarrone0313
Member since Jul 2021
1683 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 9:44 am to
I don't really see Buzz as a blemish on his hiring resume. Buzz was a really good hire at the time. I get not working out is the issue, but not sure A&M could've had a better hire on paper at the time.

239-138 record with 8 NCAAT appearances including 3 sweet 16s and 2 Elite 8s. I think he's a solid coach, just taking a little longer at A&M to see the results but now 52-23 the last two seasons.
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 9:47 am
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
9534 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 9:59 am to
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I don't really see Buzz as a blemish on his hiring resume. Buzz was a really good hire at the time. I get not working out is the issue, but not sure A&M could've had a better hire on paper at the time.

239-138 record with 8 NCAAT appearances including 3 sweet 16s and 2 Elite 8s. I think he's a solid coach, just taking a little longer at A&M to see the results but now 52-23 the last two seasons.


Not sure I disagree with that. All of basketball hires and an extensions look good on paper. Although a little deeper dig into MM may show that his success may have been more driven by historical success at Murray St. Not sure he was the guy to come "build" a program if that's what Woody thought he needed.

The better question may be why haven't these coaches performed under Woodward's athletic administrations. Not sure Buzz ever coached a game before Scott left, but it's still taken him 4 years to get A&M in the tournament.

The only basketball coach that had success under Woodward's administration was Wade. And it is abundantly clear Wade didn't have Scott's support.
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 10:01 am
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34925 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 10:08 am to
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It's certainly a strange phenomenon. EVERY single season...EVERY single sport, these brain dead potato heads come out full force. These geniuses actually believe that McMahon would be shown the door after this season, or even next.


I bet you my post count that the first time LSU drops an SEC game they’ll be out in full force

If we drop a whole series this place might crash. A ton of people will question the Johnson hire and want him out. You know it’s coming
Posted by HangingWithMrCooper
The Bay Area
Member since Aug 2017
202 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 10:18 am to
Is no one concerned that a little over a week since our abysmal season ended MM hasn’t had an end of the year press conference to address the direction the program is going or had any movement in the marketing department to show that he is working to engage the fans for next season. Our old coach to the west can’t recruit till October and yet he’s got 3 guys committed to McNeese out of the portal already. Doing meet and greets, coaches shows.

Matt where are you buddy?
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
68403 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 10:20 am to
How many hires he’s made have won championships under his watch?
Posted by HC87
Coastal NC
Member since Dec 2014
5638 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 10:20 am to
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No he shouldn’t. Don’t be stupid. He literally just hired Brian Kelly, jay Johnson, and Kim mulkey and you want to fire him cause a first year basketball coach with a program under scrutiny from the NCAA who had to rebuild and recruit an entire roster in his first season didn’t do well? God we have some stupid fans.


SPOT ON. Rinse, wash, and repeat this reply.
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
9534 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 10:23 am to
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Our old coach to the west can’t recruit till October and yet he’s got 3 guys committed to McNeese out of the portal already.


Didn't catch that. McNeese has a top 10 portal class with a former 4* and 3*.

What are the odds, McNeese ends up with a better HS and/or portal class than MM?
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
9534 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 10:24 am to
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SPOT ON. Rinse, wash, and repeat this reply.


I get that there are some people that are out of touch with reality, but nowhere have I argued that Woodward should be fired. I just want to see some acknowledgement of an issue and plan to fix it.
Posted by TwoDatBait
Northshore, LA
Member since Jul 2011
6589 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 10:29 am to
You expected someone named Bayoubilly to be intellectual????
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
9534 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 10:34 am to
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How many hires he’s made have won championships under his watch?


None in the major sports that I'm aware of.

Kelly won the SEC West in year 1.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290845 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 10:53 am to
Hiring coaches at non traditional basketball schools is not all that easy. More specific to lsu, almost impossible given how Will Wade left the program.
Posted by PNG Futbol
Member since Aug 2022
618 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 11:06 am to
Wade showed that having a consistently good basketball program is possible at LSU. Woodward and McMahon have brought it back to the Johnson and Jones days. McMoribund and Fat Scott have doomed LSU basketball for the foreseeable future.
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
9534 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 11:10 am to
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Hiring coaches at non traditional basketball schools is not all that easy. More specific to lsu, almost impossible given how Will Wade left the program.


Then what's the excuse at Washington? Romar had a lot of success before Woodward arrived.

What about A&M?

Also, LSU has shown it can win in basketball. It's funny how everyone talks about the "condition" of the program that Wade left. First, Wade didn't leave, Woodward made the decision to blow it up. Second, Wade has been at McNeese for less than a week and he already has a 4* senior guard committed through the portal.

Look, it's an objectively correct observation that Woodward's basketball programs have underperformed EVERYWHERE he has been - with the exception of Wade.
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 11:11 am
Posted by Aforem7
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
1097 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 11:24 am to
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Is no one concerned that a little over a week since our abysmal season ended MM hasn’t had an end of the year press conference to address the direction the program is going or had any movement in the marketing department to show that he is working to engage the fans for next season. Our old coach to the west can’t recruit till October and yet he’s got 3 guys committed to McNeese out of the portal already. Doing meet and greets, coaches shows.

Matt where are you buddy?


To be fair, he has visited with multiple prospects (HS and Transfer) this week. There also isn't much he can say or do at this point to generate fan interest other than creating some noise in recruiting. So if thats his focus at this point rather than coach's shows and pressers, then I'm fine with that.
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 11:29 am
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290845 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 11:27 am to
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Then what's the excuse at Washington? Romar had a lot of success before Woodward arrived.


And it’s somehow Woodward’s fault that didn’t continue? Was he coaching the team or something?

Both Washington & A&M have almost no basketball history. You keep talking about expectations but they are already low for both programs. Do you follow ball outside of lsu? Sincerely asking

I am indifferent on Woodward, don’t really care either way. If Wade would have left lsu in a better spot then Woodward could have openly sought a better candidate. End of story
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