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re: Will Wade to meet LSU sometime tomorrow (Wednesday) Updated Thursday, 4/11
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:36 am to tigerfoot
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:36 am to tigerfoot
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You act as if there was not a tape. There was a tape, correct? You act as if yahoo put out an article based solely on their crack investigatory prowess.
We can reasonably conclude there is a tape, but to my knowledge the only people that have actually listened to the tape are the FBI and Dawkins' defense team. I'm not sure even Yahoo has heard the full tape.
So, again, the administration ought not get into a habit of suspending coaches based on the media's editorialized summary of clips from a tape without verifying any further.
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:40 am to whitefoot
quote:the defense?
Just because the defense says its Wade, you believe them?
That point aside, you are now saying it was not Wade...hell, Wade hasn't even denied it.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:40 am to whitefoot
quote:Yes.
Just because the defense says its Wade, you believe them?
Has he ever specifically denied the allegations?
No.
He screwed up and is therefore tainted forever. That's how the chips fall sometimes. Would have been nice to have him lead the program for the next few years, but it's time to move on.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:41 am to UpToPar
quote:Thank God they haven't.
the administration ought not get into a habit of suspending coaches based on the media's editorialized summary of clips from a tape without verifying any further.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:42 am to tigerfoot
You still have not answered the question posed to you.
Have YOU heard the recording? How do YOU KNOW for a fact that it IS Will Wade? Of course it is most likely, but it is not out there, yet you post as if it is fait accompli and you have magic access to all of it. Sorry for being personal.
Have YOU heard the recording? How do YOU KNOW for a fact that it IS Will Wade? Of course it is most likely, but it is not out there, yet you post as if it is fait accompli and you have magic access to all of it. Sorry for being personal.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:42 am to TNTigerman
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Yes. Has he ever specifically denied the allegations? No. He screwed up and is therefore tainted forever. That's how the chips fall sometimes. Would have been nice to have him lead the program for the next few years, but it's time to move on.
So you’re the type who would call for a guilty verdict after the opening arguments in a trial. Wonderful.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:45 am to TNTigerman
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He screwed up and is therefore tainted forever. That's how the chips fall sometimes. Would have been nice to have him lead the program for the next few years, but it's time to move on.
Kinda like bruce pearl?
Oh wait, he just led his team to the final 4.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:51 am to tigerfoot
quote:hey judge Foot. Read my post. You’re ASSuming a lot without evidence like your dumbasses boss.
overly cautious maybe. But entirely understandable. I could almost understand if he did not suspend him, but come on, this is a Wade issue of being caught on tape.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:52 am to UpToPar
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the administration ought not get into a habit of suspending coaches based on the media's editorialized summary of clips from a tape without verifying any further.
Especially an editorialized piece from a media member already with a history of putting hit pieces out on LSU players (see Tyrann Mathieu and the flyer incident).
I can't believe there are people in this thread that act as if the actual tape is public (it's not), or that somehow Yahoo got their hands on and listened to evidence in a federal trial (they didn't)
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:55 am to RedPop4
Of course not, and if I had I would have no idea if it is Wade or not. We aren't that close.
quote:If it is most likely, LSU had to act, that is the way I see it.
Of course it is most likely, but it is not out there
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:04 pm to thunderbird1100
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It was their actions in response to a FBI trial LEAK with no actual definitive full information
So asking his employee to have a meeting to re-affirm his compliance with NCAA rules? You mean that action?
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is what people are upset about, if you still dont get it.
I still don't get it. I reported to my bosses office every time they called me in for a meeting. I went into those meetings sometimes thinking I should be careful what I say so that my employer doesn't get in trouble.
I really don't understand why so many people are upset that Alleva asked one of his employees to show up and tell the NCAA directly that he is in full compliance. Why would anyone have a problem with that?
FTR, Wade was NOT suspended for anything Yahoo, ESPN, the FBI, or anyone else, published/released/posted. Wade was suspended for not reporting to his supervisor's office when requested. All he had to do was show the frick up.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:10 pm to tigerfoot
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LSU had to act
If LSU "had to act", then they should have acted in October of 2018 when (as far as I am aware..) the recording 1st came to public knowledge..
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:17 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Wade was suspended for not reporting to his supervisor's office when requested.
agreed and this is what many people are missing...
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I really don't understand why so many people are upset that Alleva asked one of his employees to show up and tell the NCAA directly that he is in full compliance.
IMO (and that is all that it is...) I think Will Wade was asked to have this meeting knowing full well his lawyers would tell Will Wade to decline the meeting due to the impending court case.. this constitutes a set-up (IMO) that reflects extremely poorly on the leadership (Alleva, King.. ect...)
Speculation certainly but here it is... Alleva has history of poor judgement and reaching conclusions before all the facts are available to him... so I would say my assumptions are consistent with his MO...
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:19 pm to klrstix
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If LSU "had to act", then they should have acted in October of 2018 when (as far as I am aware..) the recording 1st came to public knowledge..
How do you know they didn't act?
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:20 pm to Four Leaf Tayback
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:25 pm to WinnPtiger
Let's get one thing straight:
WW was on his way to meet with Dr Alexander and Alleva when Alleva cancelled the meeting. Alleva cancelled the meeting not WW. It is Alleva's fault there was no meeting. That morning was when any meeting should have been held and it wasn't because of Alleva/Alexander.
WW was on his way to meet with Dr Alexander and Alleva when Alleva cancelled the meeting. Alleva cancelled the meeting not WW. It is Alleva's fault there was no meeting. That morning was when any meeting should have been held and it wasn't because of Alleva/Alexander.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:26 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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How do you know they didn't act?
I don't but if they did then why would it be necessary to "act" again??
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:38 pm to klrstix
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if they did then why would it be necessary to "act" again??
Maybe it just was. You want to believe that you have all the facts, but none of us do. It's quite possible that LSU knew about the wire tap, called Wade into the office to re-iterate that he's in full compliance, which he may have done. THEN, a few weeks ago, it's quite possible that LSU was made aware of potentially new information that they wanted to ask Wade about. Wade refused to attend the meeting.
It seems that so many people are just looking to confirm their bias regarding Alleva, and assuming the worst, instead of simply looking at the facts and deducing what the most likely factors are.
In any case, I have NEVER refused to meet with my supervisor, even when they've re-scheduled the meeting. Furthermore, I have NEVER had my attorney present when meeting with any of my supervisors.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:46 pm to klrstix
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I think Will Wade was asked to have this meeting knowing full well his lawyers would tell Will Wade to decline the meeting due to the impending court case
That's ridiculous, Wade didn't need an attorney at the meeting, nor did he have to heed his attorney's advice not to attend. His attorney was just flat wrong.
I don't need an attorney present for me to tell my employer that I am in full compliance with the law, but I cannot answer specific questions due to the on-going investigation. PERIOD - THE END. The NCAA can hear that, and the FBI can subpoena the transcripts of the meeting if they just want to hear me claim innocence and that I can't speak to the details.
Have any of you ever been in high level meetings before? You don't need an attorney to keep you from having diathermia of the mouth, just say what you need to say and shut the frick up.
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Alleva has history of poor judgment and reaching conclusions before all the facts are available to him...
He was overly-cautious over the Duke Lacrosse non-incident, but that's about all I can remember.
That said, No, I don't think he's that great of an AD, but then again, I can only think of one or two ADs at LSU in the last 40 years that were worth a damn.
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I would say my assumptions are consistent with his MO...
All Wade had to do was show up - anywhere, any time - to a meeting with his boss and reassure him everything was okay. He failed to do that, thus, he was suspended.
Hopefully he does it today and gets re-instated.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:54 pm to GeorgeWest
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WW was on his way to meet with Dr Alexander and Alleva when Alleva cancelled the meeting. Alleva cancelled the meeting not WW. It is Alleva's fault there was no meeting. That morning was when any meeting should have been held and it wasn't because of Alleva/Alexander.
This is 100 percent true. Alleva then rescheduled the meeting and said he was including the NCAA, LSU counsel, and compliance and Wade requested a list of questions and that his attorney be present. Wade was denied both requests so therefore he refused to come to the meeting.
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