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re: Will Blackwell on Coach Miles and the lost Natty
Posted on 6/19/20 at 7:10 am to ProjectP2294
Posted on 6/19/20 at 7:10 am to ProjectP2294
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At this point Will Blackwell just seems like a gigantic whiny pussy.
Knowing how much work was put in to get to that point and then play that game and have zero chance to win because of Miles. I would be pissed also.
He would be whining if what he said was not true.
Everything he said is accurate and I give him credit because I think he went easy on Miles.
Miles looked like a Jr High coach in that game.
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Posted on 6/19/20 at 7:31 am to Hiyoka
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Well he should have played Lee right or is this an attempt at dismissing?
Yeah it was an attempt as dismissing
Jarrett Lee was fricking terrible against Alabama. And I mean Throughout his entire career.
He was a decent QB in a clean pocket, but you couldn’t ask him to win you a game.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:04 am to inadaze
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I think you're giving Miles too much credit
Maybe. I think you’re giving him too little, so here we are.
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He is in a position now to really show what kind of coach he is.
He’s almost 70, and he’s at Kansas. What he did at Oklahoma State would be a much better barometer to judge him on than Kansas if we’re discounting his 11 seasons at LSU. He laid a pretty nice foundation there for Grundy to come in and not only maintain it, but take it to the next level.
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Look at the end of that win the Jayhawks had over Texas Tech last year.
Dear Lord, why?
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The guy is a basket case in pressure situations at the end of close games.
I don’t think even his most ardent supporters won’t concede this was a pretty big weakness. But it’s such a small fraction of what goes into being a college head coach. Nick Saban is the greatest college coach of all time, and I don’t think he’s a particularly good gameday coach. He wins Sunday through Friday. They just go out and prove it—mostly—on Saturdays.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:08 am to 1999
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jimbo was never coming here
Eh, I think he absolutely was in ‘15. In ‘16, not so much.
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LSU was never going to pay him what he wanted.
He didn’t want from LSU in ‘15 what it took to get him to A&M in ‘16.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:14 am to Boomshockalocka
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If the shoe was on the other foot we would have been disgusted to see okie lite get the bid over us. There definitely would have been cries of a conspiracy.
If we had played our 2011 schedule and dominated like we did, but lost a close 9-6 game at Bama, absolutely. But if we had played Bama’s 2011 schedule, I doubt it. Of course there would be some screaming about the terrible Big 12 and their loss to Iowa State, but Bama’s resume simply wasn’t as good as OSU’s that year.
And I know we’re all hypocrites to some degree, but were most rational LSU fans ready to give up the “but they didn’t make even win their OWN DIVISION” argument so easily?
Posted on 6/19/20 at 9:08 am to Stexas
Les gone YEA !!! Did less with more than any coach in the SEC !!! 
Posted on 6/19/20 at 9:08 am to Hot Carl
Bama was the correct choice, hands down. The goal was the two best teams. We all know it is true. They beat our asses. Move on.
This shoulda been dropped 8 damn years ago. LSU or Bama woulda beat OSU by 21 plus.
This shoulda been dropped 8 damn years ago. LSU or Bama woulda beat OSU by 21 plus.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 10:04 am to elcid
Will is right you know. No adjustments in Miles offense during the game at all = insanity. He made satan look like a genius that night. LSU had maybe the best Defense in their history and really good play makers on offense and in one months time CLM could not come up with any effective changes on offense to move the ball on the gumps. smh
Posted on 6/19/20 at 10:14 am to Alt26
The most depressing part is it’s 9-0 at the half and Les made zero effort to change anything for the final :30. Why not throw the kitchen sink? Try something different? Rough night in Nola.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 10:41 am to Hot Carl
in the sec west, not winning your own division doesn’t disqualify you from being one of the top 2 teams.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 10:43 am to Boomshockalocka
It happened 8 years ago, get over it and move on.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 10:59 am to FreddieMac
I am fine with it Bubba. I was always fine with playing bama. I always want to see the best 2 teams play for the title LSU bama was undoubtedly the best two teams.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 11:13 am to Alt26
quote:Well, in fairness, you mention the counterpoint early on:
Lost in the excitement of the win in Alabama was the reality that LSU was pretty lucky to win that game. If it wasn't for the tremendous effort of the defense (and Bama's inability to make FG's) LSU doesn't win, because the offensive approach absolutely sucked...again. Lee was an absolute terrified mess in that game. Jefferson's ability to run was the ONLY thing that gave LSU just enough offense to get 9 points.
Case in point. LSU gets a big pass to Shepard with less than 1 minute to play to get LSU down to the 8 yard line. Rather than really trying to take advantage there and go up 7-3, Les went into his ultra risk averse shell and happily settled for a FG to end the half.
Later, LSU intercepts a pass in Bama territory. Trailing 6-3, LSU is in a great spot to try to take the lead. But, good ole Les, runs the ball three straight times from the Bama 33 to, again, happily settle for a FG and the tie.
ANYONE with a brain knew that same game plan wasn't going to work the second time around.
Opening up the offense with Lee was a disaster. He threw interceptions, had several others that could have been. He wasn't moving the ball at all.
Lee was NOT going to beat THAT Alabama defense, plain and simple.
We were very fortunate to have a stout defense of our own, and field position causing Alabama to elect trying for 50 yd kicks in order to score.
I suppose Saban could have elected to punt instead of trying the long FGs, but with us having Wing, we have the advantage in a punting contest.
We were also fortunate to have Jefferson in reserve; as you pointed out, his running was the only offense we could generate. It was the lone option that Saban hadn't prepared for, and Les was able to use that card to pull out the W.
Looking back at the BCS title game, dropping the emotional baggage, there's not much that could be done. The defense did it's job- sure it gave up 21, but those were FGs. They had 5 scores on us at one point, and it was still only 15-0. We get 1 fricking big play and it's a 1 score game. Just imagine the emotional swing that would have provided on both sides- we were still in it, and Alabama, despite completely dominating, hadn't put it away at all.
The offense... it was fricked. They were ready for Jefferson this time. People say "put Lee in", but that had already been demonstrated before- he was a worse option. He wasn't moving, and he didn't have the mobility option. You might as well say "why didn't they play Burrow?". The answer would be the same- because they didn't have that option in the toolbox.
Take a deep breath, calm down and look objectively at this year. We had the best offense in our history, set all sorts of records.
We got all sorts of big breaks this year in the first half- Tua fumbled untouched in the redzone. Punt snap dropped. Tua throwing an INT with seconds to go in the half, and we got another TD to tack on. Gave us a huge lead.
Bama got back within 1 score in the second half, was within an onside kick of playing for the lead.
Do you want to play them again- with Tua healthy? Do you expect that second game to be a repeat of the 1st half, or the 2nd? They outscored us 28-13 in the second half.
2011 was within a hair of being like 2019; we had a dominant side of the ball, and a competent (if not great) side. We went undefeated through a tough regular season schedule and went into Alabama and won. The big difference was, in 2011 we had to beat them twice, and didn't. In 2019 we only had to beat them once, and did.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 12:56 pm to Stexas
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I’m sorry but it was 9 fricken years ago. MOVE THE FRICK ON! When the question is asked the answer could easily be short and sweet with a subject change.
If this past year didn’t heal the wounds nothing ever will and he comes off as a GIANT crybaby because of it.
He didn't PLAY in this year's game. He only watched it like you did. He actually DID play in the 2011 game after having worked his butt off the entire season to be undefeated with a chance to go down as the greatest team of all time only to have his idiot and stubborn head coach choke on a fur ball and watch 'bama own the Tigers all night. This coming on the heels of the argument that 'bama shouldn't even be playing in that game as it should have been Oklahoma St.
He has every right to NEVER move on from the one moment in time in his life that was lost because of a stubborn, pigheaded head coach who thought he was the second coming of Bo Schembeckler. How many N/C's did Schembeckler win?
Posted on 6/19/20 at 1:10 pm to stratman
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He has every right to NEVER move on from the one moment in time in his life that was lost because of a stubborn, pigheaded head coach who thought he was the second coming of Bo Schembeckler.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
last year helped heal the wound of 2011 for fans. it still does not remove what happened nor provide a time machine for players to get a redo for 2011.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 1:15 pm to Fat Bastard
The 2011 season was really good. The defense was just unreal. The offense was basically decent but effective. However it’s amazing to me that even having zero 1st downs in the first half of the UGA game that we were able to recover and beat them as bad as we did.was Les really that stupid to think that he could run the same offense for a second time and beat Saban??????? Bama knew what was coming and Les played right into their hands.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 1:18 pm to Stexas
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Stexas
Posted on 6/19/20 at 1:26 pm to dukke v
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However it’s amazing to me that even having zero 1st downs in the first half of the UGA game that we were able to recover and beat them as bad as we did.
yep. i was there. 7 STRAIGHT 3 and outs. insanity not putting LEE in.
i mean with 7 straight 3 and outs UGA's D shoulda been as fresh as a daisy. special teams kept us in it early like with arky game. D stood tall. we coulda been down bog early. we dod ged bullets. somehow miles rn it down their throats against a fresh D in second half. unreal. now UGA did not have any depth on that good d line but they shoulda been fresh after our anemic first half. mind boggling.
Posted on 6/19/20 at 2:06 pm to dukke v
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However it’s amazing to me that even having zero 1st downs in the first half of the UGA game that we were able to recover and beat them as bad as we did.was Les really that stupid to think that he could run the same offense for a second time and beat Saban??????? Bama knew what was coming and Les played right into their hands.
Hell, LSU followed up the SECCG by racking up a grand total of ONE first down in the first half of the NC game vs. Bama. STILL, the score was only 9-0 at the half because of the unbelievable effort of the defense.
Imagine being the #1 team in the country. 13-0. And your HC is so terrified of the risk of a mistake that he purposely hamstrings the offense in the national championship game. It was like watching the defense die a slow death. Les's shitty offensive approach wasn't working and he just flat our refused to deviate from it.
It's one thing to lose. It's quite another when you lose and you feel like your coach didn't even give you a chance to win. It's hard to block and execute when your opponent knows exactly what you are doing AND has no fear you are going to deviate from the plan
Posted on 6/19/20 at 2:35 pm to Hot Carl
Bill Snyder had multiple great seasons with Kansas State at around the age Miles is and beyond. So aside from the silly exaggeration of his age, I see no reason why his age itself should be a limiting factor.
Miles never had major success with Oklahoma State. In fact, no OSU team with Miles ever finished as high in their division as OSU did in 1997 (2nd) with Miles' predecessor, Bob Simmons, who won Big 12 Coach of the Year.
Miles had some signature wins over OU, but those teams were never anywhere near the level of success Gundy has had with OSU. Predecessor does not equal foundation laid. I think people sometimes mix this up with Saban's time with LSU. Saban actually did foundational work, mainly with facilities, revenue/resources, recruiting.
And I totally disagree with your assessment of Saban. He is a phenomenal gameday coach.
Miles never had major success with Oklahoma State. In fact, no OSU team with Miles ever finished as high in their division as OSU did in 1997 (2nd) with Miles' predecessor, Bob Simmons, who won Big 12 Coach of the Year.
Miles had some signature wins over OU, but those teams were never anywhere near the level of success Gundy has had with OSU. Predecessor does not equal foundation laid. I think people sometimes mix this up with Saban's time with LSU. Saban actually did foundational work, mainly with facilities, revenue/resources, recruiting.
And I totally disagree with your assessment of Saban. He is a phenomenal gameday coach.
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