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re: Why the hate for Ed O?
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:45 am to New Boy
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:45 am to New Boy
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Give the man a chance.
I did. Then Moo State happened, then Syracuse and we barely snuck out a win there, then Troy, at home, at night, on home coming. Even after all that, I stuck with him. After the bowl game and his "we coming" thing, the lack of a search for an OC, that was it. (Nothing personal towards Ensminger)
More importantly, I don't hate the man. I give him credit when it's due. I gave him credit, and to a point, still do for the Auburn win last season. I give him props for getting Burrow to come here. IMO that's huge. Even though I have yet to see the kid play, just knowing that A. He graduated in 3 years at tOSU and B. Learned from Urban Meyer, that's a huge plus.
He has the staff he wants, so there are no excuses now. I thought the recruiting class could've been better but it is what it is. I just think that he's in over his head as the head coach.
O gets through this season with wins over Miami, UGA, we certainly have to get the Alabama monkey off our back.... then I'll change my stance on his abilities as a HC. Please don't mistake this for this being the equivalent of me wanting the team to fail. That couldn't be further from the truth.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 12:52 am
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Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:48 am to eugene1928LSU
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idiot
I would just like to point out that LSU's strength of schedule for this past season was a consensus top 25 where we finished 9-4. In the preseason there were publications putting us in the top 10 for SOS.
So I don't want to see you or anyone else leveraging strength of schedule after this year when we hit our projections of falling somewhere between 6-6 or 8-4 as an argument for more Coach O. He's getting the extra year you want regardless of how hard I or anyone else complains about it, and he's going to continue to play to the statistical downward trend of our cherished program's trajectory until eventually either his contract runs out or he hits rock bottom fast enough that we axe him early with cause.
The dude doesn't know how to win football games. I'll change my mind on this when he beats a few good teams besides Louisville with Les Miles' players and Auburn in a fluky emotional comeback win.
As it stands those are the only two wins on his LSU Head Coach resume that mean anything at all, and he has a lot of losses against good teams to stand next to it
Posted on 6/20/18 at 7:54 am to New Boy
I wish Les would just ride into the sunset already!
Posted on 6/20/18 at 8:14 am to la_birdman
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I just think that he's in over his head as the head coach.
His interviews and his decision making suggests to me that Coach O also knows he's in over his head. Seems the only person who doesn't think Coach O is in over his head is Alleva.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 8:17 am to ibleedprplngld
quote:wow...
You're
Posted on 6/20/18 at 8:33 am to Srobi14
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Personally I don't like what I have seen of his work ethic. Lazily promoting coaching positions from within and hiring a bunch of older coaches that no other schools are competing for.
There are many reasons to criticize O. However, he didn't promote from within or hire older coaches bc he was lazy. In his judgment, these are the best coaches. You can question that judgment, but it did not originate from laziness.
Spurrier coached "smarter" not "harder" with great success at Florida. Saban coached and recruited "smarter" AND "harder" with great success. Whatever O's coaching style is, it will always be questioned until there are great results on the field. No argues with success. Win a national title and critics will be silenced. Finish as pundits have predicted, and the roar of complaints will grow.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 8:38 am to GeauxTigerTM
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I love this. When those of us who raged against this shitty hire talked about his shitty head coaching resume, arse clowns ran around counting his interim gigs at SC and LSU to attempt to make his resume seem less horrendous. NOW these same dick holes will stand here and say that his interim time does not count.
Wouldn't you fall into the same kinda group (arse clowns and dick holes) that counts or doesn't count the interim, depending on your agenda? Don't be so critical when you want to do the same thing.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 8:42 am to beauxroux
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However, he didn't promote from within or hire older coaches bc he was lazy. In his judgment, these are the best coaches. You can question that judgment, but it did not originate from laziness.
It’s because he’s lazy.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 8:43 am to beauxroux
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There are many reasons to criticize O. However, he didn't promote from within or hire older coaches bc he was lazy. In his judgment, these are the best coaches. You can question that judgment, but it did not originate from laziness.
Well he's selecting coaches from a perspective of who's the most comfortable to him. I think that's what he thinks of when he thinks "best," who fits best with him rather than who has proven that they're the best through results.
There is no way anyone can come to the conclusion that Enmsinger was the best OC available based on results. However, based on Orgeron's comments on him, he's the one that fits best with Orgeron from a level of trust and loyalty. So I think it's reasonable to reverse engineer his decision making process in that way.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 8:46 am to Goldrush25
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Well he's selecting coaches from a perspective of who's the most comfortable to him. I think that's what he thinks of when he thinks "best," who fits best with him rather than who has proven that they're the best through results.
You may be right on this point. Whether his "judgment" was good or not, will be revealed very soon. It's all about results on the field.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 9:48 am to Macavity92
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What hate? It cracks me up that anytime someone expresses an opinion someone else disagrees with it becomes "hate". It has to be the laziest moniker in today's lexicon.
No it's hate when people continuously bring this up as if it's still relevant. He has gone 15-6 since at LSU with no depth on the LOS and no real QB or WRs to work with, at least not any depth. We had twice as many TEs than LBrs when he arrived.
When Les took over this team it was under completely different circumstances and he let the other SEC teams pass him while LSU was on top of the SEC. When O took over LSU was middle of the pack as you say and headed further down the ranks.
He's made some changes so we'll now see what he does with them. No it's hate when people don't even give him credit for pulling the team together, bringing in the previous stars from LSU, saying a decent QB fell into his lap, saying the Auburn or Florida games matter none bc the come back was a fluke and FL HC was fired anyway.
I'm positive he won't get any credit for landing the best corner in college football today but he'll get blasted for a kid leading him on and then switching at the last minute to a rival. That's hate for a man that's simply doing his best. If you ask me and any other actual coach in this State, he's doing a great job for the hand he was delt. Accept it or not he's our coach and doing the job of our rivals isn't helping this program to move forward.
If he is successful despite all the hate he's gotten I will have to give him much more credit that Miles ever got.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 9:52 am to BayouBengal99
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He has gone 15-6 since at LSU
That includes 2016. So that means he’s going into his 3rd year as HC, right?
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with no depth on the LOS and no real QB or WRs to work with, at least not any depth.
Said nobody before the Troy and MSU games.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 9:59 am to BayouBengal99
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no real QB or WRs to work with
A QB drafted by the Pariots and had better numbers than our last championship QB isn't real?
2 WRs drafted and before last season the narrative was that we had great young receivers. People keep saying that Les's classes were only rated high because of receivers.
So, I would disagree with that part.
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He's made some changes so we'll now see what he does with them.
This is what has me anxious and slightly optimistic and hopeful.
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No it's hate when people don't even give him credit for pulling the team together
Eh. I think people are just pointing out that it was a situation of his own making and seems to be a pattern. But, as you say, he's made some changes and hopefully the work out.
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saying a decent QB fell into his lap
Totally agree. It's complete bullshite if people don't give him credit for pulling that kid away from his home and getting him out of his comfort zone.
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I'm positive he won't get any credit for landing the best corner in college football today
He will from me. The only thing I will argue about that is if all of a sudden the rankings start to matter because they're in his favor.
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That's hate for a man that's simply doing his best.
Simply doing his best isn't good enough IMO. I thought it was a sub par job last year, but I'm not ready to say he can't do well this year.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 10:01 am
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:01 am to BayouBengal99
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No it's hate when people continuously bring this up as if it's still relevant.
Some are hateful with personal attacks on looks and speech. Bottom line is that winning silences even the harshest critics. There has been good and bad under his coaching stint. This year is a critical one in program's direction.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:06 am to beauxroux
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Some are hateful with personal attacks on looks and speech.
IMO, those people are fricking idiots. Who cares what he looks like or how he speaks? His job is to win football games, not win beauty pageants.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:08 am to BayouBengal99
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No it's hate when people continuously bring this up
Bring what up? His record? Since when is his record not relevant?
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no real QB or WRs to work with, at least not any depth
We had 2 wide receivers drafted in 2018 and 1 in 2017. Brennan and Narcisse were top recruits.
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No it's hate when people don't even give him credit for pulling the team together,
I gave him credit for this as interim, not as head coach. As head coach he created the situation --- the Troy and MSU losses --- that resulted in the team needing to be brought together in the first place.
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saying the Auburn or Florida games matter none bc the come back was a fluke and FL HC was fired anyway
I would not say they don't matter but last year was the weakest schedule in a decade or more. That has to be factored into any evaluation.
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That's hate for a man that's simply doing his best
We don't hate him for doing his best. He simply is not the right man for the job.
Again, you are using hate to describe anyone who disagrees with you. It is disingenuous and lazy. It amounts to saying that dissent will not be tolerated. You have your position, which I disagree with, and I have mine.
ETA --- hit submit too soon.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 10:12 am
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:08 am to BayouBengal99
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He has gone 15-6 since at LSU with no depth on the LOS and no real QB or WRs to work with, at least not any depth.
So you include ‘16- So it’s not his 3rd year as a HC. Also means that those embarrassing losses to Bama and Florida are on him.
QB was drafted and had better numbers than Flynn.
He was the Dline coach and recruiting coordinator. Dline depth is on him.
DJ Chark was drafted in the 2nd round. Drake Davis and Stephen Sullivan aren’t real WR’s now? I though O hired 2 WR coaches because that was the strength of our team.
quote:This is why you’ll never have credibility.
If he is successful despite all the hate he's gotten I will have to give him much more credit that Miles ever got.
O has to win about 100 more games, 2 SEC titles and a Natty before he gets to be in the same conversation as Les Miles.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:13 am to New Boy
1. Many are pissed we didn’t get a bigger name proven coach after Miles.
2. Ed’s history at Ole Miss. Until we beat Bama or win the Sec he will not prove himself. Even then I’m not sure he gets a break from some.
3. Lsu is not a big market team nor are they flashy. We have drifted back to our mediocrity since 2011 and will be beat on by others Espn, etc. until proven otherwise. Fans see this blame O, Alleva, etc. can’t prove it’s not justified
2. Ed’s history at Ole Miss. Until we beat Bama or win the Sec he will not prove himself. Even then I’m not sure he gets a break from some.
3. Lsu is not a big market team nor are they flashy. We have drifted back to our mediocrity since 2011 and will be beat on by others Espn, etc. until proven otherwise. Fans see this blame O, Alleva, etc. can’t prove it’s not justified
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:17 am to BayouBengal99
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If he is successful despite all the hate he's gotten I will have to give him much more credit that Miles ever got.
Peej, this is what an actual joke of post looks like. Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:20 am to BayouBengal99
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BayouBengal99
All I want to know is will you hold him accountable if he wins 7-8 games this year, or is it going to be all excuses?
I'm trying to be fair but you have to be fair too. If every year there are more excuses why he couldn't even be as good as the last guy then he's probably not cut out for this job. Schedule or not this team shouldn't be declining, especially with all of the good things you said he's done this past year.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 10:22 am
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