re: Why the hate for Ed O?

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Wouldn't you fall into the same kinda group (arse clowns and dick holes) that counts or doesn't count the interim, depending on your agenda?

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No.

For a LONG time I attempted to make the argument that a coach that excelled at being a good interim coach DID NOT necessarily translate into having the skill set for being a good full time head coach. The reasons are myriad and they have been stated over and over again.

But those arguments were met with, "No...if he's a good interim then he's a good head coach." And any time someone like myself would mnetion his 10-25 career head coaching record, inevitably someone on the Pro-O side would add in his games at SC and LSU's interim head coach to boost his numbers (which still did not get him near .500 BTW).

Essentially, they argued in favor of those wins counting as full wins just as if he was running the program as the full time head coach.

So...if that's how we're going to play it, then Ed Orgeron is beginning his NEARLY third year as LSU's head coach. He was TWENTY ONE games as "head coach" of the LSU Tigers under his belt. And as such, we should not be hearing any more about "give him time" or any notion if having to be "patient" as we install yet another OC.

Now, if the Pro-O side would have a meeting and decide which one of these two arguments they'd like to champion, I'd be happy to argue the other side exclusively. But so long as they feel the need to have it both ways, then I guess I'll need to as well.

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The same ones including his 2016 record in his favor will NEVER admit this is essentially his 3rd year coaching because it eliminates their “give him time” excuse.

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Exactly.

Just pick one argument and stick with it. If his interim gig was just like being the head coach AND you want to count it toward wins he's accumulated here, then that MUST MEAN he's entering essentially his third year as LSU's Head Coach and has the expectations that would accompany that amount of time on the sidelines.

If you want to shield him from that level of expectation, then you need to back away from giving him credit for his SC interim gig and his LSU gig giving him far fewer wins as a HC, which takes away a TON of whatever luster you might want to bestow upon his resume.

What you can't do is argue both and expect to be taken seriously by people who can read.

LSU "fans" hate everyting

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No it's hate when people continuously bring this up as if it's still relevant. He has gone 15-6 since at LSU with no depth on the LOS and no real QB or WRs to work with, at least not any depth. We had twice as many TEs than LBrs when he arrived.

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Jesus dude. Why don't you just make up more shite and post it as some sort of fact.

ETA: Wow. Just realized you're the same idiot that I quoted in my sig.

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Wouldn't you fall into the same kinda group (arse clowns and dick holes) that counts or doesn't count the interim, depending on your agenda? Don't be so critical when you want to do the same thing.

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We're all aware of his interim record in addition to his putrid record as full-time salaried HC at Ole Miss, it doesn't translate to "hire this guy as full-time HC at one of the most legendary and prominent football programs in American history," its that simple: we settled, we didn't secure elite HC talent to replace Les and it'll probably set the program back a few years. Instead of steak, we got hamburger BLEH! The dude DIDN'T EVEN GET OFFERED THE SYRACUSE JOB!

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LSU "fans" hate everyting

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Well, I hate this type of take...that's for sure.

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2018 is the year that counts.

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Exactly. No excuses this year.

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Seems "Pro-O" want interim to count when it suits them and "Con-O" want it to count when it suits them. So both groups want it both ways, as you acknowledge.

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Incorrect. Most Con-O's view the Interim Skill Set and the Head Coach Skill Set as just that....two different skill sets at the end of the day. They aren't saying that it counts at all. They are saying it's irrelevant to whether or not O is a good head coach.

They only count it, like GTM says, when Cheerios bring it up as "proof" of O being a good head coach, which leads to saying.... "Ok, but Bama and Florida in 2016" and "Well then this is year 3."

It's reactive.

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My view: who cares about interim at this point? 2018 is the year that counts.

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And if 2018 is a mediocre or worse year, it's going to be "2018 doesn't matter, it's 2019 that counts!" and so forth.

We are already playing this game.

Cheerios have the incredible ability to make decisions in vaccuums, as if there is no need to look at the future and no need to look at the past. Nothing matters beyond today. There are no such things as trends, history, pedigree, results, etc. There's just "What we should be feeling right now."

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Cheerios have the incredible ability to make decisions in vaccuums, as if there is no need to look at the future and no need to look at the past. Nothing matters beyond today. There are no such things as trends, history, pedigree, results, etc. There's just "What we should be feeling right now."

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That's EXACTLY what I said.

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But so long as they feel the need to have it both ways, then I guess I'll need to as well.

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You picked the wrong quote