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Why should we retain MM?
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:48 am
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:48 am
With the current state of the program, what are the positives that would keep MM around?
I struggle to identify anything that can’t be easily replicated by another coach.
He’s cheap?
Runs a clean program?
I struggle to identify anything that can’t be easily replicated by another coach.
He’s cheap?
Runs a clean program?
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Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:53 am to GeauxTime9
quote:- not relevant anymore.
He’s cheap? - check
Runs a clean program?
He'll be here next year - but even here where apathy is rampant for men's hoops - he'll be on the hot seat if the product still looks like this.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 9:05 am to Tiger Ugly
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He'll be here next year - but even here where apathy is rampant for men's hoops - he'll be on the hot seat if the product still looks like this.
That’s my point though, why should he be here next year? The only fair argument would be his buyout is too much. But I bet if you got to crunching numbers and did a study, a new energetic coach may offset that number a bit by creating a buzz around the program and putting butts in seats.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 9:19 am to GeauxTime9
I really don’t see how you can justify keeping him around if we only win something like 2 or 3 SEC games this year
Posted on 1/12/25 at 9:20 am to GeauxTime9
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That’s my point though, why should he be here next year?
Exactly!
If this season continues to go downhill and LSU finishes at the bottom of the league without really being competitive in most games (for the 2nd time in 3 years) then I don't understand the rationale to run it back for another season where:
1. He will have shown little to no signs he can have this program able to compete against major competition (will have a 3 year winning % vs. power conf. opponents of .300...or less).
2. There will be complete apathy towards the program. We are probably close to that now. However, with every passing loss even the "he needs more time. He was in a tough situation" crowd is becoming disillusioned).
3. Is saving appx. $2.7M (the equivalent of what LSU would save by firing him after next season) that much of a savings relative to the costs knowing you will likely fire him next year? And what kind of recruiting will a lame duck HC be able to accomplish? It will be just an unnecessary delay in trying to find someone who can make the program better, with next year being played in a mostly empty PMAC. You can ALREADY get tickets on the secondary market for $1.00 to $2.00. LSU has been offering 1/2 off concessions for every Tuesday game all season in an effort to entice people to show up. The student second has been empty all season. That's unlikely to change now.
I get it, LSU wasn't really looking to make a change in 2022. Right or wrong, they felt they were forced to. Relative to the other 5 SEC hires that year McMahon had one of the best resumes of the group. So it's not like LSU was forced to hire just anyone who would take the job.
On paper it wasn't a bad hire. But after nearly 80 games its clear this simply isn't going to work. The original hire was not a "sin". Hanging on for too long will be.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 9:42 am to Alt26
Why should we retain Woody would be the better question.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 10:00 am to GeauxTime9
I would rather his buyout money go towards football and baseball NIL
Posted on 1/12/25 at 10:04 am to Pelican fan99
He has 5 players with little or no college experience as part of his 8 man rotation. He lost his most important and impactful player in Reed. If he can retain his roster, add his 2026 class and pick up a couple of portal players next year then he will have higher expectations. Anyone who thought this team would be able to compete with the more mature seasoned teams in the SEC doesn’t understand basketball. I believe Vandy and Missouri are mostly grads, sr and jr in their rotation. Ole Miss is probably the same. LSU may have the least experienced team in the SEC. Collins has hardly played at Ky and didn’t play at all last year. Chest, both millers and givens didn’t play last year. Maturity in ball is extremely important. It’s why seasoned mid majors are able to beat good programs with younger players. And without Reed it magnifies that problem. If you want to criticize MM for not having a more mature team that’s fine. If you expect this team with its lack of experienced players to beat good teams on the road without its most important player you might be setting yourself up for disappointment.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 10:14 am to mcspufftiger7
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Anyone who thought this team would be able to compete with the more mature seasoned teams in the SEC doesn’t understand basketball.
Ironic from the guy who’s only metric for understanding basketball is how hard a team is “competing”
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mcspufftiger7
You being satisfied with mediocrity in your own life does not mean everyone else has to be in theirs.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 10:19 am to mcspufftiger7
Absolutely pathetic excuse making for year 3. How about we hire someone that can put together a winning program.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 10:27 am to mcspufftiger7
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He has 5 players with little or no college experience as part of his 8 man rotation. He lost his most important and impactful player in Reed. If he can retain his roster, add his 2026 class and pick up a couple of portal players next year then he will have higher expectations. Anyone who thought this team would be able to compete with the more mature seasoned teams in the SEC doesn’t understand basketball. I believe Vandy and Missouri are mostly grads, sr and jr in their rotation. Ole Miss is probably the same. LSU may have the least experienced team in the SEC. Collins has hardly played at Ky and didn’t play at all last year. Chest, both millers and givens didn’t play last year. Maturity in ball is extremely important. It’s why seasoned mid majors are able to beat good programs with younger players. And without Reed it magnifies that problem. If you want to criticize MM for not having a more mature team that’s fine. If you expect this team with its lack of experienced players to beat good teams on the road without its most important player you might be setting yourself up for disappointment.
The 3 schools that you mention have all utilized the portal to build these rosters. MM has done the same, however he’s pulled players that haven’t had the same success in the SEC.
Also, the teams you’ve mentioned were the winnable games on the schedule. Every team for the remainder of the season with the exception of a few will run out far more talent.
Your argument is extremely weak.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 10:27 am to Alt26
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There will be complete apathy towards the program. We are probably close to that now.
It is there. The apathy is there. Just look at the availability of the media sessions. I don’t think I could even find any postgame comments about mizzou. McMahon has no media accountability. Because nobody cares to cover the program and it’s sad. McMahon never has to answer to the media for his personnel decisions. There is no scrutiny.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 10:29 am to Alt26
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2. There will be complete apathy towards the program. We are probably close to that now.
We’ve already been there since like 2008.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 10:30 am to mcspufftiger7
Strike up the violins. I know a motherflucker not too far down the road that could clean up this arse hat's mess LICKITY SPLIT, and we need to bring him back ASAP!!!!!
Posted on 1/12/25 at 10:31 am to Tiger Ugly
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but even here where apathy is rampant for men's hoops - he'll be on the hot seat if the product still looks like this.
are we fixing to open up the checkbook and bring in a couple players with elite talent, to go along with our "good" players. That is the only way things will change. People can bitch, complain, all that, but without Jimmies and Joes, the "product" isn't changing dramatically and I don't care who is coaching.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 10:40 am to Mandtgr47
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are we fixing to open up the checkbook and bring in a couple players with elite talent, to go along with our "good" players. That is the only way things will change. People can bitch, complain, all that, but without Jimmies and Joes, the "product" isn't changing dramatically and I don't care who is coaching.
I call bullshite, our program and school have the financial backing to compete with the majority of other schools.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 10:41 am to Mandtgr47
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are we fixing to open up the checkbook and bring in a couple players with elite talent, to go along with our "good" players. That is the only way things will change. People can bitch, complain, all that, but without Jimmies and Joes, the "product" isn't changing dramatically and I don't care who is coaching.
Every time you post this you look more stupid, not less.
What elite talent is on the roster at ole miss, Missouri, or Vanderbilt?
Posted on 1/12/25 at 10:44 am to GeauxTime9
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why should he be here next year? The only fair argument would be his buyout is too much.
That's reason enough right there. No need to make it complicated.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 10:46 am to GeauxTime9
Because he nice.
We should hire Wade yesterday. For real tho, we’d be dumb af to not try and bring him back next year.
We should hire Wade yesterday. For real tho, we’d be dumb af to not try and bring him back next year.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 10:46 am to Tiger Ugly
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He'll be here next year
What makes you think that?
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