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re: Why is it hard to attract elite coaches at LSU?

Posted on 9/8/21 at 6:50 pm to
Posted by BayouENGR
Seagrove Beach
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Posted on 9/8/21 at 6:50 pm to
Dude, it's its.
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
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Posted on 9/8/21 at 6:52 pm to
James, were you wearing a mask as you typed that?
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68690 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 6:53 pm to
$$$$$$

We went cheap and easy with the Ed hire.

And Joe Alleva is a sack of shite.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68690 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 6:56 pm to
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lack of in-game strategy adjustment


yeah and people ripped miles for this but had like the record of come back victories in the 4th.

Ed orgeron is now 2-12 when trailing at halftime.

Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34337 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 6:56 pm to
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Great coaches have even higher expectations. They idea that would scare off a coach is ridiculous and delusional. They want to be at a place with expectations.


This feels dated.

Looks at Urban Meyer bailing on the SEC to coach in an easier conference. Or Peterson never wanting to leave the north (or how he retired early). Or going back a little how Tubs left a hard to win at Texas Tech for a Cincinnati that has a better setup to win.

We now see top open positions have to get a couple of no’s now on the way to a yes, and sometimes even coaches at G5 programs say no. Now you can be a millionaire at a lower tier job, and top jobs might not even give you four years to turn a program around. So why leave?

The old ideal of coaches dying to fling themselves at the meat grinder for the chance to prove themselves doesn’t line up to the modern reality where coaches hold back for the right Power 5 job to open up. That is why a situation like Pittman at Arkansas is unusual with his heavy incentive based contract that fans always dream of forcing new coaches to take. The reality is he took that contract because he had no other shot to be a head coach (not just a Power 5 head coach but one period), and they offered it to him because more qualified candidates said no.

Any hot coach LSU wants will either dictate the terms or not come. If LSU doesn’t get a hot coach for some reason that would be why, but the current AD didn’t get hired just to be put in handcuffs.
Posted by martiallaw
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
1454 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 7:01 pm to
One of the main problems is that Baton Rouge sucks as a place to live in comparison to almost anywhere else outside of Starkville in the SEC. Hot, terrible traffic, nothing really to do, bad schools etc.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 9/8/21 at 7:07 pm to
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When LSU fired Les Miles, it was shocking to me of how hard it was to attract quality candidates?


when you don’t look outside the DL room, your options are limited
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 7:07 pm
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
15476 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 7:10 pm to
Money, and lots of it, will solve any coaching search issues.
Posted by Woodman
Seattle WA
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 9/8/21 at 7:17 pm to
Timing has so much to do with it. The 2019 season is still fresh enough in most folks minds that its not a tough sell you can have champions in Baton Rouge. By the time it came to replacing Miles, 2007 was ancient history and the shite show championship game considerably spoiled the excellent 2011 regular season.

Compare Baton Rouge to other small market capital cities with major football programs: Austin TX, Madison WI, Minneapolis, Tucson, Lincoln NE, Columbia SC, Tallahassee, Columbus OH, Boise ID and Iowa City. Only Austin and Madison stand out as a special places. Lincoln is a major medical research city and Columbus and Boise have their benefits. Baton Rouge has its crime issues and as others have said, there's not a lot of culture in the City outside the LSU campus. Baton Rouge and Tallahassee seem about the same.

If we truly have a change ahead of us, the time to start the process [even if behind the scenes] is now. Love letters to Ames Iowa would be best be sent sooner than later.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9402 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 7:17 pm to
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Most people realize coaching searches are always a crapshoot, no matter who you hire or how much money you spend. LSU has had a better track record than the vast majority of athletic departments in the country.

Pretty much this. And to add: Finding a coach to take a bad program and make them decent is easy. There are a ton of candidates any given year with that type of ability. Finding a coach to take a decent program and make them good is harder, but still not terribly difficult.

Finding a coach to take a good program and make them a perennial contender, however, is really hard. The reality is that coaches with the recruiting chops, leadership skills, and knowledge needed to take that step are few and far between. Available coaches with that ability are very rare.

So your AD doesn’t just need to be able to identify those guys - the timing has to be right to actually hire them. Florida had Ron Zook between Spurrier and Meyer. And they are on their third coach in the 11 years since Meyer left - still not back to that level. USC still hasn’t recovered from Pete Carroll’s departure.

Then there are the cases where you get “the guy” and he gets busted or tied up in some kind of scandal. Gene Stallings was Alabama’s third coach in 7 years after Bear Bryant retired. Then after he brought them back to the promised land, he got implicated in an NCAA investigation, hit with sanctions/forfeited wins, and ultimately resigned. It took 10 years and 3 more coaches before they got Saban. And why did they get Saban? Because the timing was right.

It’s not as simple as saying “just go get an elite coach”… even without an incompetent athletic director who puts all of his eggs in one basket.

If anything, the fact that LSU managed to sustain championship-level success over a 17 year period with 3 different coaches is miraculous. Be glad for that, and just hope that the right guy becomes available if/when a change is made.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 9/8/21 at 7:19 pm to
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and a quick trigger to fire coaches if they aren’t performing up to expectations. Yes, we can pay them handsomely, but coaches with families want stability. We probably have a poor reputation nationally for being impatient.

When was the last time a coach at a major sport at LSU ousted in short notice after being hired? Miles was here for 11.5 years. Smoke Laval was here for 5 years. Johnny Jones was here for 5 years John Brady was around for 10 years. Even in the 1990s, Archer, Hallman, and Dinardo had at least 4 years under their belts. Nothing about LSU’s recent history suggests what you posted.
Posted by Tigahtildeath
Member since Aug 2017
559 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 7:21 pm to
Unrealistic fan base.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
127414 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 7:29 pm to
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Looks at Urban Meyer bailing on the SEC to coach in an easier conference.

Urban’s situation was too special for your argument, and when he took the OSU job, the only SEC job that was available if memory serves correctly was the Ole Miss job. No way he’d go there considering the shape that program was in at that time.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27563 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 7:50 pm to
It's hard to get an "elite" coach who is winning at his school to pick up and leave. Only Fisher has done it in the last recently and before that it was probably Saban coming over from Michigan State and even then, Saban was nowhere near where Fisher was when he left for A&M. Before that I think Holtz going to Notre Dame from Minnesota.

The reason that you have trouble attracting top notch coaching has to do today with how the Miles situation was handled. It was a clusterfrick. You announce for all intents and purposes that you want to hire Jimbo Fisher away before the 2015 season even ends...then when he turns you down, you tell Miles that he is still your coach...that is fricked up the guy knows you don't want him. Then you go off and fire the guy 4 games into the next season. If I am an up and coming coach I start to wonder who has my back at LSU...even if I am winning games but I am not winning them in the manner that the fan base likes.plus I have a national championship to my name and three trips to the SEC Championship . I'm averaging at least 9 wins a year, I've never had a losing season.

Guys who can say NO to LSU pay attention to stuff like that. They think if I have a subpar season as dictated by the expectation of a fan base that thinks they should be Alabama but never was. Will all of a sudden I get a drunk booster trying to effect a buyout of my contract.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 7:59 pm to
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Why is it hard to attract elite coaches at LSU?


It's not.

But there's a difference between being attracted and actively pursuing. If you think elite coaches are going to approach LSU, you're kidding yourself. The above-average and young coaches will, but the top guys aren't pursuing any program. They don't have to, every year they have multiple schools calling their agents. The elite coaches have to be pursued, won over, and Alleva was too arrogant to think he had to do that.
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 8:03 pm
Posted by Tiger on the Rag
Cattle Gap Egypt
Member since Jan 2018
6835 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 8:14 pm to
Pressure of winning from fans
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37538 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 8:17 pm to
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When LSU fired Les Miles, it was shocking to me of how hard it was to attract quality candidates?


We interviewed 2. One was set while one wanted the Texas gig. We didn’t interview anyone else.
Posted by sheek
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Sep 2007
43894 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 8:19 pm to
Good ole baw Louisiana politics
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 8:26 pm to
I watched a couple of the BOS meetings (one during the HB Report and another general mtg). It screams good ole boy politics, which is the enemy of what progressive / advanced coaches need.

Most of them fellas looked like "the guy" in many Louisiana small towns...you know the guy...the who owns most of the small town, who leads the back of back the back room Thursday night poker game where the good ole boy good ole action takes deep root with the small town's notables and state's connected.

Presents too many limitations for nuevo thinking coaches.
Posted by ML Mellander
Member since Aug 2021
30 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:00 pm to
Well, duh....the fan base and people who run the show expect the world right off the bat....I still can't believe people are calling for Orgeron's head after 1 loss...this is why few coaches would want to come to LSU...you're under so much pressure it's hard to get anything done....there's only 1 Nick Saban...get over it, puh leez
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