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re: Why I would have stuck with Ack
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:46 am to RB10
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:46 am to RB10
Ok so are you going to find multiple examples to prove your point? You said coaches put in their game one starter on 2 days rest to close out regionals all the time, so it should be easy for you to find a few examples from recent memory.
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:47 am to Lester Earl
We lost with our best on the mound.
I would rather lose with a first or second rounder on the mound than a guy who will be a late rounder.
I would rather lose with a first or second rounder on the mound than a guy who will be a late rounder.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:47 am to Lester Earl
Agreed, just not a fan of bringing in starters to relieve. No matter who they are.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:48 am to burreauxxx
All he had to do was face 7,8,9. One lefty.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:52 am to LSBoosie
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Ok so are you going to find multiple examples to prove your point? You said coaches put in their game one starter on 2 days rest to close out regionals all the time, so it should be easy for you to find a few examples from recent memory.
Find me multiple examples of team that need 3 outs to win, in game 5, who are down to 5.00+ ERA relievers and stop acting like every close game in the 9th is created equal. I said “in this scenario” several times. Try and wrap your head around exactly what that means.
It’s all hands on deck in game 5 of a regional. I’m not dumb enough to be upset the coach chose his #1 over a mediocre mid reliever to get 3 outs.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 7:54 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:57 am to RB10
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Ack only closed 2 games this season. It’s not a spot he pitches in much either.
Nobody is disagreeing with this.
I think most felt you leave him in after making the batters he put away look effortless. He was clearly throwing well and his confidence was probably through the roof. He was in a rhythm.
That’s not to say he wouldn’t have came out the next inning and walked 1 and given up a dinger. Hard to say. Ack blew through the batters in the previous inning in 16 pitches
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:58 am to rpg37
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I would have stuck with Ack simply because we didn't have anything after Jump. Let's say we catch the ball in the T10, we still didn't score. Who was going to pitch after Jump?
This is the only argument to me.
If you're asking me who I want getting three outs with the season on the line, I'm taking Jump 10/10 times. Ack has not been good this year. Yes, he pitched well in the previous inning.
And Jump's giving up the lead was a bit of bad luck. Two soft-hit balls and head-scratching defensive positioning in the outfield.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:00 am to RB10
You said this
And have yet to provide one single example. You said it happens every single year. I couldn’t find an example from last year or the year before. It’s up to you now to prove you are correct.
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I also understand that coaches make this same decision across the country, every year.
And have yet to provide one single example. You said it happens every single year. I couldn’t find an example from last year or the year before. It’s up to you now to prove you are correct.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:03 am to Lester Earl
If you have Jump warming up for everyone to see and you leave Ack in…and he gives up a Jack…he wouldn’t have lived it down. He at least can reasonably defend bringing in Jump to shut it down. I personally wanted Ack to start the 9th…but I wasn’t uncomfortable seeing Jump come in.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:43 am to LSBoosie
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And have yet to provide one single example. You said it happens every single year. I couldn’t find an example from last year or the year before. It’s up to you now to prove you are correct.
- Stanford regional from last year. Stanford game 1 starter came in relief game 7 in a 1-1 game.
- 2022 Oklahoma regional. Oklahoma game 1 starter closed final 2 innings in 1 run win over Florida in game 7.
- 2022 Arkansas regional. Arkansas game 1 starter pitched in relief in game 6.
- 2022 Corvallis regional. OSU game 1 starter closed final 2 innings in a 1 run win over Vandy.
Weird you couldn't find those. Would you like me to keep going?
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 8:45 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:55 am to ItTakesAThief
I’d rather lose with the guy that just struck out the side, who generated 31% swing n miss on 16 pitches. I’m ok going down with that
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:00 am to RB10
Marceaux started game 1 and closed game 7 with 2.1 innings in 2021
But Ack was dealing last night and he had a tenacity in his eyes that he was ready to get it done. Tough pill ti swallow.
But Ack was dealing last night and he had a tenacity in his eyes that he was ready to get it done. Tough pill ti swallow.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:02 am to The Boat
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Marceaux started game 1 and closed game 7 with 2.1 innings in 2021
I stopped after 2 years. I could go back and find game 1 starters coming in relief during regionals every year.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:02 am to Lester Earl
I am a 1000 percent believer in if a pitcher is pitching, keep them in. Generally don’t care who it is, much like the Hellmers situation yesterday(although he did in fact have a good ERA this year). But this is probably the rare exception I didn’t have a problem with it. Jay was going with what he thought was best option and what he could have lived with. He has said he believes Jump is the best pitcher in the nation. That’s probably a stretch but that’s how strongly he felt about him. He couldn’t have lived with Ack giving up leadoff homerun in the 9th with Jump standing in bullpen warm. Just didn’t work out. Now the starter selection…..
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 9:04 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:04 am to Lester Earl
I basically agree but it becomes a damned if he does, damned if doesn’t. I mean if Auck gives up a HR then everyone rips him for leaving Jump in the pen. But ultimately we lost because the offense did nothing after the 3rd and a couple defensive miscues. Compare that to NC’s defense especially the 3B, that dude was scooping up everything
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:04 am to Lester Earl
I agree that he probably should’ve stuck with Ack, but it wasn’t absolute in my mind until they tied it up. I was cool with seeing Jump in to hopefully finish it off, so my thoughts are honestly worthless bc it’s somewhat based on the final outcome.
I’m curious to know if anyone bashing Jay for making the change actually posted their thoughts before they made the move or only after the mover he made didn’t work out.
I’m curious to know if anyone bashing Jay for making the change actually posted their thoughts before they made the move or only after the mover he made didn’t work out.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:11 am to Lester Earl
I would have stuck with him for the following reasons:
* He had his good fastball and his good slider
* Pitching Jump on short rest is an unknown. No guarantees
* Using Jump had a cost and I didn't think we needed that cost with Ack pitching well and the lead
* If somehow we did give up the lead, we were going to need ever more innings and keeping Jump available was important
Having said all of that, Jay put the guy in he thought would give him the best chance of winning. He decided he was going to win or lose in the 9th. I'll never complain about that. If I'm being honest, I would have stuck with Coleman early on because I expected to score more runs and would have never expected Hellmers to roll the way he did. I was way wrong on that one.
* He had his good fastball and his good slider
* Pitching Jump on short rest is an unknown. No guarantees
* Using Jump had a cost and I didn't think we needed that cost with Ack pitching well and the lead
* If somehow we did give up the lead, we were going to need ever more innings and keeping Jump available was important
Having said all of that, Jay put the guy in he thought would give him the best chance of winning. He decided he was going to win or lose in the 9th. I'll never complain about that. If I'm being honest, I would have stuck with Coleman early on because I expected to score more runs and would have never expected Hellmers to roll the way he did. I was way wrong on that one.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:16 am to burreauxxx
You guys can give your opinions on keeping or pulling Ack. That's all it is. Opinions. But to say Coach lost the game by pulling him is emotional BS. You don't know that so it is just an opinion. They got clutch hits in the end and we didn't. The drop by Brown in the outfield looms large also but looked to me like he lost it in the lights. It happens. Good year. Move on to next year.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:17 am to H-Town Tiger
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but it becomes a damned if he does, damned if doesn’t. I mean if Auck gives up a HR t
They didn’t touch him tho. You don’t really see coaches catch shite for that.
Had they hit some long foul ball HRs or lined out a few times, sure.
A bunch of swing & misses though is the tell tale sign a pitcher is feeling it
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:34 am to rpg37
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Ultimately, we went the last seven innings and got ONE hit.
This was the game.
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