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Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:29 am to Topwater Trout
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Early in the game he ran towards the bama sideline and instead of throwing it away he took a 2 yard sack..
He does this a good bit. He needs to learn to throw that away, those yards add up.
If he is just running out of bounds and not trying to cut it up field, he needs to know where the sticks are.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:29 am to DJFord
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Yea it sucks.
I saw he had 18 attempts and thought they must be counting sacks in that total. to me if he is rushing and gets tackled for a loss that shouldn't be counted as a sack. IDK why that bothers me but it makes the line look worse than they have really looked in recent games.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:29 am to Scientific73
He was sacked 6 times for only 15 yards. Wasn't too concerned he was able to move up so instead of 6-9 yard loss it was only a 2 yard loss.
Heck Burrow had a great O line and was sacked 5 times by Bama in 2019.
Heck Burrow had a great O line and was sacked 5 times by Bama in 2019.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:34 am to FLObserver
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As good as a scrambler as he is his pocket presence is terrible. I have seen him literally move right into the defender numerous times when the pocket moves. Burrow was one of the best in the pocket Daniels is below Avg in the pocket.
You and I are saying the same thing, and both getting downvoted for it.
Seems pretty obvious to me.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:34 am to rpg37
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Also, he likes to run...many of the sacks are -1 and -2 yarders.
This.
LSU has the second most sacks allowed in the SEC (not actually the most) but we are only giving up 4.5 yards per sack. That’s the least yards lost per sack in the SEC. Everyone else in the conference except Tennessee and aTm is giving up 6-8 yards per sack.
It’s because all tackles of a QB behind the line of scrimmage are counted as sacks. Jayden Daniels has the 5th most rushing attempts in the SEC including RB’s (which I believe includes sacks as well but you get the point).
A good chunk of those sacks are either on designed runs or are on scrambles where they get him 1-2 yards behind the LOS. They would probably be better described as TFL’s. Our OL is young and they haven’t been perfect, but they are a lot better than the sack numbers would indicate.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:39 am to Scientific73
Why does he score on a 25 Yard run in overtime?
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:41 am to clamdip
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You and I are saying the same thing, and both getting downvoted for it.
It’s like the poli board… no criticism allowed! Even if you repeat what coach says.
He can be a great quarterback and still have things to work on. Those things are not mutually exclusive.
Brees for example had a tendency to throw into coverage, try to do too much when we fell behind. But he’s my favorite qb of all time.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:45 am to Scientific73
HE leaves a clean pocket too much and gets sacked easily as a result. It happened 3 times against Bama.
Might not notice a lot of the "sacks" because many times it will only be for a like 1-3 yard loss due to him trying to scramble for yardage even if he's not pressured but gets caught. He also rarely throws the ball away.
He was "Sacked" 6 times against Bama but 3 of them were really on Daniels. Not the blocking. He was trying to step up and run and Young got him on 2 of them when Young was blocked just fine.
Here's 1st sack where he just runs out of bounds for a loss of a couple
Daniels panics in clean pocket, runs into a sack
Totally clean pocket, sacked by Young who was being blocked well because he want to run
There was another sack by Young just like that last one a few plays later on that same drive.
With Daniels you have to take the good with the bad. His ability to pick up huge chunks of yards on the ground is a huge positive, the negative with that is occasionally when he looks to do that, he gets sacked as a result because he cant navigate enough out of the pocket. A lot of times it can be a clean pocket, but he sees space to run and tries to take it.
Might not notice a lot of the "sacks" because many times it will only be for a like 1-3 yard loss due to him trying to scramble for yardage even if he's not pressured but gets caught. He also rarely throws the ball away.
He was "Sacked" 6 times against Bama but 3 of them were really on Daniels. Not the blocking. He was trying to step up and run and Young got him on 2 of them when Young was blocked just fine.
Here's 1st sack where he just runs out of bounds for a loss of a couple
Daniels panics in clean pocket, runs into a sack
Totally clean pocket, sacked by Young who was being blocked well because he want to run
There was another sack by Young just like that last one a few plays later on that same drive.
With Daniels you have to take the good with the bad. His ability to pick up huge chunks of yards on the ground is a huge positive, the negative with that is occasionally when he looks to do that, he gets sacked as a result because he cant navigate enough out of the pocket. A lot of times it can be a clean pocket, but he sees space to run and tries to take it.
This post was edited on 11/8/22 at 9:58 am
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:47 am to Scientific73
There aren't a lot of quick (primary) routes in the offense and he tends to hold on to the ball longer rather than risking an interception. That, combined with an inconsistent OL, has led to a lot of sacks. I think to some degree the increased sacks are the tradeoff for 1 interception all season. Many times he'll hold on to the ball rather than make a risky throw.
IMO, I think he sometimes hangs in the pocket a bit too long now when there are running lanes ahead of him. The 3rd and 5 when LSU was down 21-17 late in the 4th was a great example of him being decisive to run. The hole opened up in front of him and he didn't hesitate to take off. That quick decision resulted in a 1st down and huge gain.
Of course you would like your QB to make more plays with his arm than his legs. Particularly when you have LSU's WRs. But Daniels is LSU's best "RB" as well and a difference maker as a runner. You have to find the balance to not temper that too much.
IMO, I think he sometimes hangs in the pocket a bit too long now when there are running lanes ahead of him. The 3rd and 5 when LSU was down 21-17 late in the 4th was a great example of him being decisive to run. The hole opened up in front of him and he didn't hesitate to take off. That quick decision resulted in a 1st down and huge gain.
Of course you would like your QB to make more plays with his arm than his legs. Particularly when you have LSU's WRs. But Daniels is LSU's best "RB" as well and a difference maker as a runner. You have to find the balance to not temper that too much.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:51 am to Scientific73
Young OL and two true fresh at both tackles.
Saturday we took 6 sacks, but it only cost us a total of 15 yds. We want to clean that up, but at least they’re small losses.
For reference, we sacked BY twice for 10 yds lost.
Saturday we took 6 sacks, but it only cost us a total of 15 yds. We want to clean that up, but at least they’re small losses.
For reference, we sacked BY twice for 10 yds lost.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:52 am to CatfishJohn
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He does this a good bit. He needs to learn to throw that away, those yards add up.
IMO, this is short sighted and an extension of just wanting a QB to stand in the pocket. When you have a guy with Daniels’ speed, you play to his strengths.
He’s gaining more yards on scrambles than he’s losing to sacks. If he throws it away it’s 100% a wasted down. If he tries to scramble he might lose 2 yards but he also might gain 12.
There are certainly situations where you don’t want a negative play no matter what. But in most cases he needs to beat one guy in order to gain positive yardage. When that happens I’d generally rather him take a chance on losing 2 yards knowing that if he beats that guy he’ll gain 5+ than have him just throw it out of bounds. I don’t think we win against Bama if he doesn’t take those chances.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:55 am to Scientific73
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they are at the top of the SEC for sacks allowed.
I wonder if this statistic is being held down by earlier games. The O-Line seems to have improved significantly. The number of sacks for each game must have gotten better.
This post was edited on 11/8/22 at 9:56 am
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:56 am to CatfishJohn
Jayden Daniels thought process is this:
Throw the ball away for no yardage or risk a -1 or -2 yard sack while trying to break a tackle. If I break the tackle worse case I will stumble forward, best case I'll break off 10-25 yds before the safetys can help. It's almost as if I'm averaging 80-100yds per game doing this whole only taking 5-20 sack yards per game... Hmmmmmmmmm....
Throw the ball away for no yardage or risk a -1 or -2 yard sack while trying to break a tackle. If I break the tackle worse case I will stumble forward, best case I'll break off 10-25 yds before the safetys can help. It's almost as if I'm averaging 80-100yds per game doing this whole only taking 5-20 sack yards per game... Hmmmmmmmmm....
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:56 am to Scientific73
In a lot of situations he tries to squeeze through tight gaps straight up the center to pick up extra yards. Those gaps close up quicker than expected at times, while other times he turns it into 20 yards. Gotta take the good with the bad.
A less mobile qb would likely throw it away in that situation or dump it to a back for a loss.
With Daniels it show up as a sack rather than a tackle for loss.
A less mobile qb would likely throw it away in that situation or dump it to a back for a loss.
With Daniels it show up as a sack rather than a tackle for loss.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:57 am to lsufb1912
quote:that's 2.5 yards per sack. Which means these are not drop back sacks, they are where he's escaping the pocket and getting tackled behind the line
He was sacked 6 times against Bama for -15yds
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:58 am to Scientific73
I’m not sure why you’re getting so many DV, it’s a fact lol
He was sacked 6 times vs Bama…it sure as hell didn’t feel like 6 times though.
He’s getting sacked a lot, but moving the chains.
He was sacked 6 times vs Bama…it sure as hell didn’t feel like 6 times though.
He’s getting sacked a lot, but moving the chains.
This post was edited on 11/8/22 at 9:59 am
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:59 am to Topwater Trout
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does being sacked count as a rushing attempt?
Looks like it.
His rushing stats are:
131 att for 619 yds
770 yds gain
151 yds loss
We’ve given up 32 sacks for 143 yds, but I believe 1 of those was a 6 yd sack on Walker Howard.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:59 am to thunderbird1100
Daniels has been sacked 32 times this year but PFF has only said 18 of those 32 sacks have been on the OL/blocking.
So Daniels has basically taken 14 sacks trying to scramble or holding onto the ball too long. Again this is where you kind of have to take the good with the bad because on those scrambles he gets sacked on its usually for a very small loss, a few yards at most usually. When how many times have we seen him scramble for a gain of 10+? I can tell you actually, he has 34 runs of 10 or more yards this year.
So Daniels has basically taken 14 sacks trying to scramble or holding onto the ball too long. Again this is where you kind of have to take the good with the bad because on those scrambles he gets sacked on its usually for a very small loss, a few yards at most usually. When how many times have we seen him scramble for a gain of 10+? I can tell you actually, he has 34 runs of 10 or more yards this year.
This post was edited on 11/8/22 at 10:01 am
Posted on 11/8/22 at 10:02 am to lostinbr
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this is short sighted and an extension of just wanting a QB to stand in the pocket.
I love a mobile qb. I am nitpicking bc I have defended JD all year but on the example i gave earlier he had given up on the play and just took a 2-3 yd loss when all he had to do was flip it out of bounds.
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