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re: Why do you think that Miles has such great success against Alabama and Saban?
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:43 pm to WacoTiger
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:43 pm to WacoTiger
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Why do you think that Miles has such great success against Alabama and Saban?
When you consider talent level and the fact that he's .500 against bama I would call that "great success". He's done better than most, but great success would be 5-1 or 6-0.
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Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:54 pm to Topwater Trout
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Bama was the most deserving team to play us. Losing to the number one team in OT is better than ok st, loss to Iowa st.
I respectfully disagree, for the many reasons stated here before by various posters, including myself. The "better loss" factor alone (Bama) should not have overcome a team (Okie) that won their conference, and had more wins against top 25-50 BCS teams, and was favored in the computers. Most "deserving" should not necessarily be synonymous with the "best" team.
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I have never been a fan of the BCS ( ok lost their championship gm 35-7) and have always been in favor of a playoff.
Agreed, in that case a team can play themselves into a rematch, rather than be placed there by voters like Bama was in 2011.
Anyway, let's go get a win against those frickers Saturday!
Posted on 10/30/12 at 12:11 am to idlewatcher
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3-3 isn't great success. That means he wins 50% of the time.
You have to keep it in context. Compared to every other coach that has faced Nick Saban, 50% is overwhelmingly considered great success. Again, you have to keep it in context. For example, in Baseball a .500 hitter only hits the ball 50% of the time but that is beyond great success. Why? Because compared to everyone else it's far and away a better avg. Same thing with Miles vs. Saban.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 12:28 am to The312
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But this "tremendous success" line is bullshite. It implies we have had more success than them when we clearly haven't of late. Would you trade places with Bama over the last three years? Just answer that question honestly. Of course you would. It would better to have two NC's rather than zero, one undefeated season rather than zero, and to be undefeated this season rather than having one loss.
No it's not bullshite. And no it doesn't imply that we've had more success than Bama. It implies exactly what it says, that Les Miles has had great success against Alabama and Saban (compared to anyone else). Nobody said that They would rather LSU's record over Bama's the last 3 years. Or that they wouldn't rather 2 NC's vs. 0. Or that they wouldn't rather be undefeated this season than have 1 loss. You pulled that stuff out your arse. But compared to every other team/coach that faces Bama/Saban, Miles is very successful. Who has been more successful against Saban/Bama? Nobody has which means that Miles is the most successful coach against Saban/Bama. In fact, he's exactly as successful as Saban is against Miles/LSU.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 12:37 am to The312
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Do you dispute the notion that it would be better to have two NC's rather than none, one undefeated season rather than zero, and zero losses rather than one? Do you dispute that?
Nobody disputes that! Why do you think anyone would dispute that?
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It's completely ludicrous to crow about having "tremendous success" against Bama over the last four years when any rational fan LSU would instantly trade places with Bama over that same time period - as you yourself just admitted. It's especially inane when one of Bama's NC's during the relevant time period came at our direct expense. And yes, I'm sorry, the national championship game was, in fact, bigger than the other two. As proof, I offer the fact that any sane Tiger fan would gladly have traded a 9-6 loss in Tuscaloosa for a 21-0 victory in New Orleans.
Yes Bama has had more success overall compared to LSU. But against each other they have been pretty evenly matched. And compared to every other fricking team in the country, LSU is the most successful against Saban/Bama
Posted on 10/30/12 at 12:51 am to The312
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it's hard for me to blindly pretend we've had more success than Bama of late. We just haven't
Again, nobody ever said we've had more success than Bama. The OP said we've had great success AGAINST BAMA which implies more success than anyone else AGAINST BAMA.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 3:20 am to Riseupfromtherubble
It is the talent equality that lets Miles hang in there. It used to be his uncanny calls and unexpected and even sometimes half time adjustments like in 2010.
However, Saban used to worry but if Miles is as stubborn as he was on 1-9 then Saban will breath easy as that shite was horrendous. If Miles did not roll out 7-10 new plays or new alingnments (and USE THEM) from what we have done thus far, we are beat and beat bad.
We have to come out like Bama did on 1-9 (unexpected passing game) or we can do screens, draws, RB in flats, misdicrection, throw a bomb early to loosen the D.
However, Saban used to worry but if Miles is as stubborn as he was on 1-9 then Saban will breath easy as that shite was horrendous. If Miles did not roll out 7-10 new plays or new alingnments (and USE THEM) from what we have done thus far, we are beat and beat bad.
We have to come out like Bama did on 1-9 (unexpected passing game) or we can do screens, draws, RB in flats, misdicrection, throw a bomb early to loosen the D.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 8:25 am to MRTigerFan
Thanks, MRTigerFan, you were the first to notice I carefully used "great" not some other superlatives. Great is an adjective relative to how other coaches have fared against Saban. Relative to those other coaches, I think that Miles ranks at the top of the list. Of course, the same could be said of Saban relative to Miles, when looking at other coaches records versus Miles.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 12:01 pm to The312
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That's called "reason" here in the land of rational observers. Do you dispute the notion that it would be better to have two NC's rather than none, one undefeated season rather than zero, and zero losses rather than one? Do you dispute that?
If LSU had Bama's schedule, we'd be unbeaten too. If a Miss st team that barely beat Troy , was LSU's toughest game to date, we'd be unbeaten too.
Also you can say the SEC title is beneath the BCS title but only one of those titles is won on the field and you can't get VOTED INTO. you can't beg your way into the SEC title or let biased humans use the , once used and ignorant, EYEBALL TEST, to get you into the SEC title. The SEC title is never questioned, while the BCSCG game is questioned as soon as its over.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 12:09 pm to WacoTiger
i haven't read the whole thread....but i bet this drew the Sabanistas out with a vengeance.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 12:16 pm to Dubaitiger
I'd expect Les to do what he can to win or keep it from being a blowout...so he can maintain control over the O and keep Studs there. If the passing O is truly as bad as we've seen in spite of coaching, then it wont matter.
This post was edited on 10/30/12 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 10/30/12 at 12:19 pm to Choctaw
bet this drew the Sabanistas out with a vengeance.
oh yes indeedy.
oh yes indeedy.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 12:40 pm to WacoTiger
This shitty call is the only reason we lost in 2009:
Posted on 10/30/12 at 12:43 pm to USMCTiger03
true dat.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 12:44 pm to USMCTiger03
Still pissed about that
Posted on 10/30/12 at 12:47 pm to WacoTiger
He's clutch! Best recruiter in LSU history!
Posted on 10/30/12 at 12:50 pm to jlc05
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Still pissed about that
Lil bit.
Someone should have lost their job(s) for that bullshite.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 12:52 pm to idlewatcher
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3-3 isn't great success. That means he wins 50% of the time.
I would say that is pretty good success against a team that has won 2 national championships over that 6 year period
Posted on 10/30/12 at 12:54 pm to USMCTiger03
Let nothing stand in the way of a NC.
I'm sure all bases have been covered for this game...just in case its needed
I'm sure all bases have been covered for this game...just in case its needed
Posted on 10/30/12 at 1:07 pm to The312
I think it is jsut an even match up. I don't think Saban is this unstoppable fource. I think When LSu and Bama play, it is like two even team in the NFL paying. It could go any way. Big win on either side, or a tight game.
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