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re: Why do people forget how mediocre Joe Burrow&Jayden Daniels were in YR 1 starting at LSU?
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:31 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:31 pm to Lester Earl
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All that to say, pretending he was better than Daniels and burrow because he had more impressive counting stats that were all due to volume of throw attempts is just silly & ignorant.
What Oline did Burrow and Daniels have?
Would you concede his worst games were when he lost Dellinger AND CJ Daniels the first half of TAMU and Dellinger was out for Bama and UF? Or he had 3 first time starters inside against UF where his arse was under pressure?
Lose a center and find out how bad it gets - ask the Saints.
Who did Nuss have to throw to REMOTELY close to Burrow in 2018 - he had Jefferson, Marshall Jr, Foster and Chase and others.
He didn’t have anyone remotely close to Nabors and Thomas Jr.
But none of y’all will want to admit to any of this. None
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:41 pm to TigerBait2008
Who will got search to re-read threads. That's crazy. I'll allow the post. Continue on OP.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:52 pm to cbree88
I watched Burrow at Ohio State. He was better than Nuss. Burrow could have easily been the starter at Ohio state. Go watch the film. I dont see that in Nuss. Jayden has/had a totally different skill set. That said Nuss is going be better. He not in the same stratosphere as those guys.
I absolutely want Nuss to be everything those guys were. But Burrow had a utopian situation in yr two (joe Brady, chase, Jefferson, aranda). Nuss is not going to be the reason you lose/win. Coaching, scheme, o-line, defense will decide Nuss' and LSU's fate.
I absolutely want Nuss to be everything those guys were. But Burrow had a utopian situation in yr two (joe Brady, chase, Jefferson, aranda). Nuss is not going to be the reason you lose/win. Coaching, scheme, o-line, defense will decide Nuss' and LSU's fate.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:56 pm to cbree88
Stop
Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:28 pm to Fat Bastard
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had JOE burrow had BRADy calling plays
Haha, the tards on here didn’t want Brady. They said that he was a nerd that didn’t know football.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:30 pm to prepsportsallday
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Nuss is not going to be the reason you lose/win.
Limiting his interceptions equates to more wins and fewer losses.
In that regard, experience may matter.
Time will tell.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:33 pm to SammyTiger
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Jayden I felt just need to to let it rip, and if he stopped hesitating on all his throws his numbers would explode
Same. Give Nabers and BTJ a chance on jump balls and they either get the PI call, make the catch, or prevent the DB from intercepting it.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:16 am to SammyTiger
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but Nuss isn’t a transfer learning a new system.
He’s been here 4 years.
He was a first year starter under his 3rd/4th OC/play caller.
Not all 4 years are created equal.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 8:54 am to atltiger6487
quote:The Summer of 10,000 Catches says otherwise.
It wasn't due to some magical improvement by Burrow
Posted on 12/19/24 at 10:17 am to TexasTiger_08
quote:Same. The evidence was there. The bigger change happened with the supporting cast.
I was honestly always a Burrow believer. That guy was different even in his first year. Stats don't show it but it was clear he was a gamer. His hype was cemented after that Fiesta Bowl for me.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 10:24 am to cbree88
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Same thing with Jayden in 2022. He was average, and a lot of people wanted him benched in favor of Nuss.
There were people here calling for Nuss to replace JD the year he was racing towards the Heisman. I try not get sucked up into the reactionary horseshite that is disguised as QB analysis on this site.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 10:37 am to cbree88
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Why do people forget how mediocre Joe Burrow&Jayden Daniels were in YR 1 starting at LSU?
A) There are those that hate Nuss no matter what, and if you bring up these inconvenient facts, they would then have to realize they are being unfair to him and would be a hypocrite.
B) When Daniels sucked, and threw a bad ball, and could not identify the open receiver his first year, many on here, rather than acknowledge that Daniels was not great his first year, blamed it on racism. Daniels first year was extremely inconsistent. He had a game he was great, and then another where he couldn't throw the ball, and ran when he shouldn't. Rational people recognized this, the troglodytes who are so concerned with skin color, just screamed "muh racist". Daniels 2nd year, he was much better, and majority of people that stated how inconsistent Daniels was his first year, acknowledged how great he was his 2nd year. Again, the "muh racist" types, couldn't handle this. They convinced themselves that anyone that criticized Daniels in year 1 is racist, and if they cheered for Daniels in year 2, that might mean they were being stupid.
Now take Nussmeier year 1. His lack of mobility, and questionable throws are obvious. However, he still threw for over 3700 yards and 27 touchdown. The glaring error though is the 11 interceptions. Daniels, on the other hand, threw for only 2900 yards and 17 touchdowns. His interceptions were low (only 3) but he never got rid of the ball. Which was the problem.
Joe Burrow only had 2800 yards and 16 touchdowns. He wasn't great his first year either.
C) The other reason, is you have 2 QB's for LSU with heisman trophies, and some people aren't patient and want a heisman and Natty every single year, no exceptions.
Stat comparison for 1st year
Joe Burrow 2894 yds, 16 TDs, 5 INT, 58% comp. 399 rush, 7 tds rush
Jayden Daniels 2913 yds, 17 tds, 3 int, 68% comp., 885 rush, 11 tds rush
Garrett Nussmeier 3739 yds, 26 tds, 11 int, 63% Comp, -45 rush, 3 tds rush
Stat comparison for 2nd year
Joe Burrow 5671 yds, 60 TDs, 6 INT, 76% comp. 368 rush, 5 tds rush
Jayden Daniels 3812 yds, 40 tds, 4 int, 72% comp., 1134 rush, 10 tds rush
Garrett Nusmeier - TBD but what i expect: 4000+ yds, at least 35 tds, no more than 7 ints, 70-72% completion %, 100-200 yds rushing
Now nearly 3800 yards in his first year as starter should have people excited for his return, but you have geniuses that would rather start any unproven freshmen in lieu of Nuss.
Nuss made a lot of bad decisions this year. He also had a very bad OC. Let s see if that gets corrected next year.
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 10:45 am
Posted on 12/19/24 at 10:56 am to cbree88
Does it feel like Nuss has been here forever? For some reason it feels like he has been a backup QB for 6 years.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 11:04 am to prepsportsallday
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I watched Burrow at Ohio State. He was better than Nuss. Burrow could have easily been the starter at Ohio state.
No you didn’t. You saw clips of a few practices.
Film? There was no “game film” on Bhrrow.
Film. People in here think TiK Tok is “film” like coaches watch.
Have a downvote dumbass.
quote:which is it?
That said Nuss is going be better. He not in the same stratosphere as those guys.
He also didn’t have the same “stratosphere” of frickING OLINE and RECEIVERS BUT YALL KNOW.
Go look at the 2018 roster that Burrow had - yeah besides the big three he had Foster fricking Moreau at TE. You know the guy you watch for the Saints?.
How about “Gun Shy” Daniels, who up until Mississippi State game in 2023, wouldn’t throw for shite into coverage. He had a very experienced Oline.
People are fricking revisionists on here instead of waiting to see what Nuss does in year 2.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 11:14 am to Tiger1988
quote:He threw 39 passes at Ohio State. Albeit it as a reserve, but there is film.
No you didn’t. You saw clips of a few practices.
Film? There was no “game film” on Bhrrow.
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 11:21 am
Posted on 12/19/24 at 11:30 am to cbree88
They don't. They just get sick of the nuss buss fanboys who howl anytime your critique nuss.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 11:34 am to undkeith
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here will be a lot of crow to eat when Nuss is holding the heisman next year at this time.
Is there any crow left? All the nuss buss children who said he would replace Daniels half way through the season ate it all and then pretended they never said this.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 12:06 pm to cbree88
I recognized the talent in both from the beginning!
Posted on 12/19/24 at 12:51 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
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is film.
WHAT frickING “FILM”?
Posted on 12/19/24 at 12:54 pm to cbree88
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Why do people forget how mediocre Joe Burrow&Jayden Daniels were in YR 1 starting at LSU?
Cause they weren’t mediocre. Joe’s 2018 year was overall the second best year an LSU QB had ever had at that point.
Jayden’s 2022 was again probably only second to Joe 2019.
100% both made huge very visible leaps in year 2. But they were’t mediocre before
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