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re: What’s your opinion on the called intentional hit by pitch
Posted on 6/22/25 at 12:40 am to Meatball
Posted on 6/22/25 at 12:40 am to Meatball
I thought it was a terrible interpretation of the rule. Moving your arm downward, as opposed to outward, is not something that I have ever heard or ever remember seeing interpreted as an intentional HBP. Batters routinely will put their arm down when the ball is headed for their ribs (as that pitch was), simply as a reflex, because no one wants to get hit in the ribs. But that's not sticking the arm "out".
And the fact that rule allows them to ignore the fact that a pitch was going to be a ball, anyway, has always been horrendous. But that shouldn't have even mattered in this case, because, again, I don't know how you rule that Dickinson tried to get hit just by dropping his arm.
And the fact that rule allows them to ignore the fact that a pitch was going to be a ball, anyway, has always been horrendous. But that shouldn't have even mattered in this case, because, again, I don't know how you rule that Dickinson tried to get hit just by dropping his arm.
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Posted on 6/22/25 at 12:42 am to Meatball
Gay, meatball, gay as frick!
Posted on 6/22/25 at 12:42 am to Meatball
It was a bs call. He pulled his arm against his body to AVOID the pitch and keep in mind, it takes like .08 of a second to decide to swing or not.
Let alone decide to make the decision to "intentionally get hit." That was a terrible call.
Let alone decide to make the decision to "intentionally get hit." That was a terrible call.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 12:45 am to slackster
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The rule is fricking awful and needs to go.
Agreed. Blair and Thompson said the exact same thing. Worst rule in college baseball.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 12:54 am to Meatball
Your taught to turn and offer your back for protection(well sorta of). Elbow never reached out. His elbow has a right to be there. I mean what tf is he supposed to do when 97 is coming at you. His elbow did not reach out for the ball. No way. The ball nailed him in the box. Shouldn't be a strike no matter what. I don't care of he reached out with his dick, if the ball hits you in the box then it should be a ball even if they determine you reached out to get hit. Go back to batters box with a ball not a strike.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 12:54 am to Athis
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he brought up his elbow and the ball hit him... He brought up his elbow
Where you getting “UP” from? He brought his elbow DOWN, which was a natural reflex reaction to bring your elbow DOWN to protect your ribs
Like in boxing, a few good body shots will make you pull your elbow down reflexively so you get knocked out by leaving your chin open!
Posted on 6/22/25 at 1:02 am to Meatball
My opinion was that the ball was going to hit him regardless, he was just trying to get hit where he had padding. It was an absolutely atrocious call.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 4:42 am to BatonrougeCajun
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if you are going by the verbiage of the rule they got it right.
If that's true, then there has never been a legitimate hpb under the rule. Because not trying to move out of the way means you don't get credit for getting hit, and now you're saying that moving out of the way means you don't get credit for getting hit. That would be an extraordinarily stupid (even for the NCAA) interpretation of the rule.
The actual rule (Rule 8-2.d(1)) specifies that the batter must " . . . make a movement to intentionally get hit by the pitch . . . " in order for the strike to be awarded when the ball is in the batter's box. There is nothing in there about dropping the elbow or anything else, only the purely subjective declaration that batter with 3 balls has chosen to turn and shield his body against a 95 mph fastball flying at his ribs inside the batter's box as an intentional attempt to get hit by the pitch.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 4:45 am to Meatball
If it didn’t hit him in the elbow it would be hit him in the lower rub cage. bullshite call
Posted on 6/22/25 at 4:53 am to Meatball
Clearly tried to get hit. It was the right call by the rules. It was unfortunate, because it was a lack of situational awareness by Dickinson on ball four.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 5:31 am to Penrod
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Clearly tried to get hit.
How so? No movement at all by him increased his likelihood of getting hit. He has no obligation whatsoever to move in any way at all to get out of the way of the ball when it is in the batter's box. He has to make a movement to get hit and that movement has to be intentional.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 5:33 am to Meatball
They need to address the rule.
You simply can't get called out on an obvious ball 4.
You simply can't get called out on an obvious ball 4.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 5:48 am to Meatball
The damn rule needs to be changed. It’s one thing if you lean into a pitch that is NOT in the batters box to purposefully get hit, but if the ball enters the batters box, then it shouldn’t matter how you react, that is the batters area and the pitch breached the batters space…
Posted on 6/22/25 at 5:58 am to slackster
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instinctive to drop your elbow as you turn
THIS is the basic truth of the situation = as you are turning your body to avoid getting hit, your elbow naturally drops unless you devote intentional thought into raising it.
What I saw was basic natural instinct in avoiding being hit - with the 'possibility' that the elbow drop was exaggerated.
There is no way within natural logic that the whole scenario was a planned
'get hit by the ball' - actions that the other team OBVIOUSLY employs without ever being called.
Bad call - grossly bad call.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 6:09 am to Eighteen
This can’t be stated enough. The rule is flawed, the batters box should be for the batter. Intentional or not, if a batter is hit in the box, it should be a ball, not a called strike.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 6:36 am to King Joey
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How so? No movement at all by him increased his likelihood of getting hit.
If he remained still he would not have been hit (He would have drawn a walk, though). He moved his elbow down to draw the contact.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 6:40 am to Dogwalk
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This can’t be stated enough. The rule is flawed, the batters box should be for the batter. Intentional or not, if a batter is hit in the box, it should be a ball, not a called strike.
Well, that would allow obvious attempts to get hit. We should not allow that. No rule is going to yield perfect results, and I think they have it as good as it can get right now. What I would like to see as an improvement - and this is across sports - is that reviewers should not overturn calls on scanty evidence. If after watching several replays, reasonable people still disagree, then let the call stand. Replay is for preventing egregious calls.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 6:41 am to Meatball
He did pull his arm down but it’s dumb to count that as intentional. I’m more annoyed by the run we were cost by the first base umpire though
Posted on 6/22/25 at 6:57 am to BatonrougeCajun
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You can’t drop your elbow into the ball.
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BatonrougeCajun
The batter turned with his back facing the pitcher, basically the same thing as the coastal batter did a few innings before and the costal batter took first
the ball hit the coastal batter square in the buttock and the ball hit above the elbow under the triceps of the LSU batter
Both batters rotated and turned away, very similar
Posted on 6/22/25 at 7:04 am to paulb52
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Coastal has been getting by with this all year. Kind of ironic them calling for a review
Because they are probably well aware of what they are doing.
They know umpires will rarely call a HBP intentional and are playing the risk of opposing coach calling for a review. Not many head coaches are going to risk burning a review on a base runner early in a game.
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