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re: What's up with La'El Collins?
Posted on 10/17/11 at 11:17 am to lsufball19
Posted on 10/17/11 at 11:17 am to lsufball19
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people need to quit with this burning redshirt stuff. if they're good enough, they should play. he could leave after 3 years as a sophomore or after his junior year, and then we lose a year of playing time. it's very common for elite players to leave early, so if you need guys to play, play them.
I think what GFunk is saying, is he's not "playing" though.
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Posted on 10/17/11 at 11:20 am to Hot Carl
He's playing on the field goal unit 
Posted on 10/17/11 at 11:21 am to Hot Carl
Redshirting a QB that needs to develop to make a transition to the college level is one thing, but there seems to be so much talent at all the skill positions coming in (mainly from LA) its unreal. im in agreement it may hurt us more than it help us if we redshirt alot of kids 
Posted on 10/17/11 at 11:27 am to Tigerbait231
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Redshirting a QB that needs to develop to make a transition to the college level is one thing
I agree. But I also think OL can probably benefit the 2nd most from one. I do not advocate redshirting for the most part--and never with RBs--but I think it's fair to wonder why Collins hasn't played more up to now with our OL injury situation.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 11:33 am to c on z
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Collins IMO is too good to stay on the bench.
Based on what? He looked like crap in the one series he played against Kentucky. No question he has potential, but he hasn't proven anything on the field.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 11:33 am to lsufball19
They are getting him ready to play G next year, we lose Blackwell and T-Bob. They moved him from OT so he could play early. Almost no one plays OT as a true freshman, too much to learn. Look for him to start the next 2 or 3 years and then go pro.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 11:49 am to Teacher
Well JD comes back next year more than likely with medical redshirt and we still have williford. He might not even start next year either
Posted on 10/17/11 at 11:50 am to Hot Carl
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I think what GFunk is saying, is he's not "playing" though.
I think what GFunk is missing is that it was unknown earlier in the year (when he played) how much he would be needed / playing. It's easy to criticize in hindsight. Nevertheless, in a year like this one, if playing him ensures that you have a competent backup in the case of injury, it is worth it.
When was the last time he played? I know that he had a concussion earlier in the year. Has he played since then? If not, they may decide to apply for a redshirt anyway. If he has played lately, obviously that wouldn't be an option.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 11:52 am to snackpack
look at the other side of the arguement. yet another injury happens 2 or 3 games from now. collins is expected to come in and play like a stud? gonna need more than 5 linemen to play per year.
trust your coach. unless you want curley and gerry back (like when i was in school)
trust your coach. unless you want curley and gerry back (like when i was in school)
Posted on 10/17/11 at 11:55 am to GFunk
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collins
obvious bust
Posted on 10/17/11 at 11:59 am to GFunk
Suppose we have another injury to Blackwell or Williford, would you like Collins to get his first meaningful snaps against Auburn or Alabama? The coaches have to balance the benefits of playing him now versus the possible benefits of playing him in 2015. Since they don't know if they will be here in 2015, or if Collins will be here, it is not that difficult a call.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 12:03 pm to Teacher
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Almost no one plays OT as a true freshman
Really? in an 8 year span we had only 2 guys play LT.
So twice we have had true freshmen starting at left tackle.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 12:35 pm to GFunk
According to official LSU web site stats, he has played in games 2 (Northwestern State) and game 5 (Kentucky). Playing in game 5 means a medical redshirt cannot be applied for. So onward and upward and we may be seeing a lot more from him soon.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 12:43 pm to BayouBlitz
You do realize that if he is as good as advertised, that he won't make it past his Junior year thus it doesn't matter if we burn a year. Kid will play this year and help us out. See Western Kentucky and Ole Miss.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 12:51 pm to Weaver
For starters, every player on our line with the exception of Lonergan (and I'm not sure about him) is a redshirt. Josh D was a redshirt.
T-Bob was a redshirt, and he's the 2nd stringer at LG. Williford is 2nd string at RG, and he was redshirted.
Regarding the "leave after his 3rd year" as a RS Sophomore, well just show me the last RS Sophomore Offensive Lineman who left college after his 2nd year of eligiblity was over that went in the 1st round. Better yet, show me one who wants to leave with the new money, rookie salary scale, and draft-slot changes with guaranteed money in rookie contracts?
I have heard of exactly ZERO that have done it.
Ben Wilkerson is the last player I know of that came in as an 18 year old offensive lineman and made a true impact, and he went in at Center against Florida close to midway through the year that year.
I trust our coaches. I also trust that Josh Williford is actually playing excellent football now as the 2nd backup interior OL right now behind T-Bob now that Blackwell slid over to replace T-Bob (who was a replacement, himself).
If they made the decision to slide him down to Guard to play him early, I don't understand why he wasn't played early, more meaningfully.
I know he's getting practice reps, but I just don't understand the plan. If we were going to count on him during the stretch run, we would've obviously seen him in garbage time getting more reps. As it is, he looked poor against Kentucky.
I just don't understand the plan there. Historically speaking, LSU has not had many true freshman who were able to make the jump, and La'El seems no different so far. So why waste that first year?
Again, I'd rather not laugh any more at my desk here by myself in my office. So please no one make up idiotic assertions about him leaving for the NFL as a Redshirt Sophomore.
T-Bob was a redshirt, and he's the 2nd stringer at LG. Williford is 2nd string at RG, and he was redshirted.
Regarding the "leave after his 3rd year" as a RS Sophomore, well just show me the last RS Sophomore Offensive Lineman who left college after his 2nd year of eligiblity was over that went in the 1st round. Better yet, show me one who wants to leave with the new money, rookie salary scale, and draft-slot changes with guaranteed money in rookie contracts?
I have heard of exactly ZERO that have done it.
Ben Wilkerson is the last player I know of that came in as an 18 year old offensive lineman and made a true impact, and he went in at Center against Florida close to midway through the year that year.
I trust our coaches. I also trust that Josh Williford is actually playing excellent football now as the 2nd backup interior OL right now behind T-Bob now that Blackwell slid over to replace T-Bob (who was a replacement, himself).
If they made the decision to slide him down to Guard to play him early, I don't understand why he wasn't played early, more meaningfully.
I know he's getting practice reps, but I just don't understand the plan. If we were going to count on him during the stretch run, we would've obviously seen him in garbage time getting more reps. As it is, he looked poor against Kentucky.
I just don't understand the plan there. Historically speaking, LSU has not had many true freshman who were able to make the jump, and La'El seems no different so far. So why waste that first year?
Again, I'd rather not laugh any more at my desk here by myself in my office. So please no one make up idiotic assertions about him leaving for the NFL as a Redshirt Sophomore.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 12:57 pm to GFunk
My guess is that with him being 2nd string, that he has been put into 2 or 3 games to get experience in case he is needed.
He likely hasnt been playing more meaningful snaps, well, because he is not needed. And you generally don't swap OL in the middle of the game unless an injury occurs.
He likely hasnt been playing more meaningful snaps, well, because he is not needed. And you generally don't swap OL in the middle of the game unless an injury occurs.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:08 pm to Lester Earl
LE, your guess is wrong because he's not 3rd string.
Josh D & Blackwell are your two 1st string Guards
T-Bob & Williford are your 2nd string Guards
Collins is-evidently-4th string at LG at best, because when T-Bob went down, we slid Blackwell over for Williford to take his spot.
Which means that Collins was/is behind:
Josh D
Blackwell
T-Bob
Williford
He's your 4th string LG & at best your 3rd string RG according to how playing time has been doled out thusfar.
I don't understand why he's played in light of this. Just don't.
Josh D & Blackwell are your two 1st string Guards
T-Bob & Williford are your 2nd string Guards
Collins is-evidently-4th string at LG at best, because when T-Bob went down, we slid Blackwell over for Williford to take his spot.
Which means that Collins was/is behind:
Josh D
Blackwell
T-Bob
Williford
He's your 4th string LG & at best your 3rd string RG according to how playing time has been doled out thusfar.
I don't understand why he's played in light of this. Just don't.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:14 pm to dgnx6
Whitworth and Black both redshirted before taking over for 4 years.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:16 pm to GFunk
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LE, your guess is wrong because he's not 3rd string.
Josh D & Blackwell are your two 1st string Guards
T-Bob & Williford are your 2nd string Guards
Collins is-evidently-4th string at LG at best, because when T-Bob went down, we slid Blackwell over for Williford to take his spot.
Which means that Collins was/is behind:
Josh D
Blackwell
T-Bob
Williford
He's your 4th string LG & at best your 3rd string RG according to how playing time has been doled out thusfar.
I don't understand why he's played in light of this. Just don't.
is he not on the 2 deep at one of the tackle spots?
Wait, and dont you know Josh D is out for the year?
and what if TBob is playing Center and a guard gets hurt?
This post was edited on 10/17/11 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 10/17/11 at 2:40 pm to Lester Earl
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is he not on the 2 deep at one of the tackle spots?
We slid him down to train at Guard. That was to "get him on the field early".
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Wait, and dont you know Josh D is out for the year?
No. I actually thought he kept switching jersey numbers. Sometimes, mid-game.
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and what if TBob is playing Center and a guard gets hurt?
He would play.
My point is at that point, the kid's playing out of necessity, and not because of talent. We'd have lost:
Josh D - in Camp
Blackwell/Williford - Injury in game
T-Bob - playing Center
This still means that the kid's 3rd string at RG and/or 4th string at LG. I don't understand not getting someone else ready to play if that's the only condition he'd be playing under.
If he's going to play as an 18 year old, it should be meaningful, or he should gain that year.
He's not, and as such, it confuses me. Still don't see a plausible explanation yet.
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