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Watched the offense against SELA
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:03 pm
Im not an expert, but I thought I'd share some info. Im sure everyone already knows, but execution was not good at all. However, there were some good signs.
The Good:
•RPO pretty nice addition
•Brossette carries the rock pretty well and is shifty to evade the first defender usually.
•Stephen Sullivan is a man among boys. VERY physical and used stiff arm to carry a defender 10 yds for a 1st down. The famous jump ball hail mary speaks for itself. Very good run blocker as well.
•Cushenberry has held up pretty well and is identifying and addressing keys/blocks
•Chase/Jefferson duo can be something special. Gotta keep feeding ball.
•Helaire seems like a pretty good back to spell Brossette
The Bad:
•Lots ot whiffs even in run blocking. Chip blocking by RBs allowed linebacker/safety to spy and stay in middle of field, which didnt allow slot or cross route to develop. Burrow holding ball too long and not sliding is the obvious.
•Chip blocking actually helped defender get off our block sometimes. Had 4 wide(3 on one side and 1 on other) and threw a RB screen to shortside when blitz/receivers caused strong side to be WIDE open.
•Burrow has to recognize corner blitz because they showed it a ton. Audible play to pass to slot who would be wide open.
**** Im sure I'm missing a ton of points both ways, but thought I'd share some observations I saw. Feel free to add more points that you guys noted.
The Good:
•RPO pretty nice addition
•Brossette carries the rock pretty well and is shifty to evade the first defender usually.
•Stephen Sullivan is a man among boys. VERY physical and used stiff arm to carry a defender 10 yds for a 1st down. The famous jump ball hail mary speaks for itself. Very good run blocker as well.
•Cushenberry has held up pretty well and is identifying and addressing keys/blocks
•Chase/Jefferson duo can be something special. Gotta keep feeding ball.
•Helaire seems like a pretty good back to spell Brossette
The Bad:
•Lots ot whiffs even in run blocking. Chip blocking by RBs allowed linebacker/safety to spy and stay in middle of field, which didnt allow slot or cross route to develop. Burrow holding ball too long and not sliding is the obvious.
•Chip blocking actually helped defender get off our block sometimes. Had 4 wide(3 on one side and 1 on other) and threw a RB screen to shortside when blitz/receivers caused strong side to be WIDE open.
•Burrow has to recognize corner blitz because they showed it a ton. Audible play to pass to slot who would be wide open.
**** Im sure I'm missing a ton of points both ways, but thought I'd share some observations I saw. Feel free to add more points that you guys noted.
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:05 pm to 7Tiger7
we look bad under center. most of success is out of shotgun
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:06 pm to 7Tiger7
quote:He goes to the line with an option to kill to a run play. They don’t give him the option to call completely new plays.
Burrow has to recognize corner blitz because they showed it a ton. Audible play to pass to slot who would be wide open.
The OC should have recognized this and attacked it. That’s not the QBs responsibility, that’s on the OC.
They kept running the same blitz and we couldn’t beat it. Our OC got outschemed by SELA’s DC.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:18 pm to Solo Cam
VERY true and I agree with you, but I believe Ensminger said they want to trust Burrow and give him more autonomy of the offense. Bootlegs would have killed them or even short 5 yd comebacks when they showed blitz (It was VERY obvious). Ensminger has got to attack this and Sullivan has been in the game too long to not pass this along...
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:31 pm to Solo Cam
quote:It has become obvious. Another strength not utilized.
He goes to the line with an option to kill to a run play. They don’t give him the option to call completely new plays.
quote:Because we run "our offense", not the offense that attacks the D.
The OC should have recognized this and attacked it. That’s not the QBs responsibility, that’s on the OC.
quote:Because we have such a talent advantage right? Yeah, how's that work against FCS... just imagine against SECW.
They kept running the same blitz and we couldn’t beat it. Our OC got outschemed by SELA’s DC.
Good post Solo Cam. Just lending some reinforcement.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:37 pm to I20goon
quote:
Because we run "our offense", not the offense that attacks the D.
We’ve seen this same shite for way too long.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:52 pm to 3rdPart Tiger
Offense should be learning from Aranda. Gotta plan and attack to create mismatches. He has many different players playing chess out there. Hell if our offense played some tic tac toe, we could wreck opponents.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:57 pm to 7Tiger7
One of the problems with LSU's offense is the fact we do not adapt the offense to take advantage of the skills of the offensive players and I am convinced the reason we don't is because this OC and those in the past have not know how.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:09 pm to 7Tiger7
When the defense has it’s ears pulled back on every play...you need to quit with the half hearted fake to the RB out of the gun. It’s just waiting time.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:19 pm to 7Tiger7
i watched the first half again and the offense was A LOT better than i remember. joe's passes were always in the window with maybe a couple of exceptions and he spread it around pretty well. he picked some good moments to run and did well. brossette is reminding me of jeremy hill just a little, obviously not as good but still better than i thought before the season. all of this happened out of VERY bland sets. nothing exotic at all.
there was one drive in the middle of the 2nd when the o line was getting beat. the next drive, they shored that up. the o line was significantly better than i remember.
joe stood in a pocket too long on 2 or 3 plays and got sacked (which says something about the pass protection). well, when you're only running 2 wideouts, it's alot harder for them to get open but, he needs to have a little better pocket presence on those type plays. not a big concern because in both games, he's done an admirable job of throwing it away.
for me, the biggest concern is the obvious 2nd half disappearance in both games. not sure what the problem is there but it's alarming. the offense has shown the ability to be effective and diverse. then, it disappears. are the players quitting mentally? is it the play calling? not sure what to think.
if the 1st half offense shows up, lsu definitely has a chance. if the 2nd half offense shows up, auburn wins comfortably.
there was one drive in the middle of the 2nd when the o line was getting beat. the next drive, they shored that up. the o line was significantly better than i remember.
joe stood in a pocket too long on 2 or 3 plays and got sacked (which says something about the pass protection). well, when you're only running 2 wideouts, it's alot harder for them to get open but, he needs to have a little better pocket presence on those type plays. not a big concern because in both games, he's done an admirable job of throwing it away.
for me, the biggest concern is the obvious 2nd half disappearance in both games. not sure what the problem is there but it's alarming. the offense has shown the ability to be effective and diverse. then, it disappears. are the players quitting mentally? is it the play calling? not sure what to think.
if the 1st half offense shows up, lsu definitely has a chance. if the 2nd half offense shows up, auburn wins comfortably.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:41 pm to bfniii
first half passing stats
10-18
165 yards
16 per play
after the hail mary, long of 24 to moreau
7 completions over 10 yards including the hail mary (70% obviously)
6 different receivers
so, if burrow were to go (taking out the hail mary) 18-36, 250 yards, 70% over 10 yards, 6 different receivers, is that good enough? pretty decent stat line on the road against a top 10 opponent, especially given how good auburn's d is supposed to be.
10-18
165 yards
16 per play
after the hail mary, long of 24 to moreau
7 completions over 10 yards including the hail mary (70% obviously)
6 different receivers
so, if burrow were to go (taking out the hail mary) 18-36, 250 yards, 70% over 10 yards, 6 different receivers, is that good enough? pretty decent stat line on the road against a top 10 opponent, especially given how good auburn's d is supposed to be.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 6:04 pm to 7Tiger7
They need to pick two of our smartest and most dependable WRs and have hot routes set into the offense for blitzing situations. Once those two see the blitz, pick one or the other or both to reroute into that voided area of the blitz and throw quickly. Have Burrow call out to the other WRs with a hand signal to block for that WR. If we bust them a few times they will back off.
We could also attack them with the RBs in the flat and FBs as well. Who cares if we haven't seen these blitzes on film before. This offense needs to have adjustments for every situation. That's not an excuse IMO.
You see this done in the NFL all the time. You don't have to max protect bc they are sending everyone. Bust their arse by sending your WRs on quick hot routes. Hell you could send 4 guys straight up the field when they send a bunch of defenders and bust them for huge yards. We shouldn't be struggling with this. We've seen it for years and it's the way we've been attacked for years.
It's time we come up with a plan to make them pay when we are blitzed like that. I liked the little looped in routes we ran vs Miami. If a smaller school plays you close you shove that fricker out the way at the line and use your height advantage on 1vs1 down field. Our WRs have to get better as well as our OL. If we can get that accomplished, we'll win lots of games.
We could also attack them with the RBs in the flat and FBs as well. Who cares if we haven't seen these blitzes on film before. This offense needs to have adjustments for every situation. That's not an excuse IMO.
You see this done in the NFL all the time. You don't have to max protect bc they are sending everyone. Bust their arse by sending your WRs on quick hot routes. Hell you could send 4 guys straight up the field when they send a bunch of defenders and bust them for huge yards. We shouldn't be struggling with this. We've seen it for years and it's the way we've been attacked for years.
It's time we come up with a plan to make them pay when we are blitzed like that. I liked the little looped in routes we ran vs Miami. If a smaller school plays you close you shove that fricker out the way at the line and use your height advantage on 1vs1 down field. Our WRs have to get better as well as our OL. If we can get that accomplished, we'll win lots of games.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 6:08 pm to 7Tiger7
I fell asleep watching the game.
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 9/10/18 at 6:14 pm to 7Tiger7
quote:
Had 4 wide(3 on one side and 1 on other) and threw a RB screen to shortside when blitz/receivers caused strong side to be WIDE open.
•Burrow has to recognize corner blitz because they showed it a ton. Audible play to pass to slot who would be wide open.
Thing about screens is that D-Linemen are going unblocked so the blockers can get out in front of the RB.
Because of this:
A) The throw must be one the QB can make while falling backward, no time to step into throw; and
B) Since the blockers are often past the LOS when the pass is thrown, the throw must be to a target behind the line to avoid Ineligible Man Downfield penalties (which are present on nearly all RB screens if the ball goes anywhere else).
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 9/10/18 at 6:57 pm to Hooligan's Ghost
What offense? We scored on short field possessions. No sustained drives.....not good.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 7:10 pm to 7Tiger7
Also in the Good:
Burrow continues to be on target. Timing needs to improve some especially later in the game.
Burrow has hit 9 different receivers so far this year.
Burrow making adjustments at the line without "check with me"
Burrow continues to be on target. Timing needs to improve some especially later in the game.
Burrow has hit 9 different receivers so far this year.
Burrow making adjustments at the line without "check with me"
Posted on 9/10/18 at 7:11 pm to LSUmudman
quote:
What offense? We scored on short field possessions. No sustained drives.....not good.
96 yds in eight plays in one minute for a TD...
Posted on 9/10/18 at 7:28 pm to GetmorewithLes
quote:yea, but that was the Hail Mary drive right before the half, right? A good bit of luck there. The rest of our scoring drives were short fields.
96 yds in eight plays in one minute for a TD
Posted on 9/10/18 at 7:42 pm to atltiger6487
The fact that O wants to mimic a offense from the early 2000s is the problem. Not to mention we don’t have that team of 5 star studs.
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