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re: Wade Update
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:48 pm to VCUInsider
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:48 pm to VCUInsider
this is a catfish thread if I've ever seen one.
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:48 pm to Madking
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He's been coaching for 4 years Crean 18. Yes he turned UTC around but it's not like he had this 28-5 30-5 type season there, 22-10 is his best and only 20 win season there. Then he goes to VCU and is a caretaker for what Smart built, never exceeding or reaching Smarts success. It's just too much of an unknown for me when you have a Tom Crean there. Crean has won at two impressive places at a high level. He's gone to a final 4 he's won the big 10 (arguable the best conf) twice in the last 5 years. He's recruited multiple lottery picks (some national recruits) and he's coached the most efficient offense in the country without lottery type talent. To me their resumes side by side arnt even close.
1. Chattanooga couldn't sniff a 20-win season prior to hiring Wade.
2. It's not exactly easy to sustain a winning team for multiple years. Neither Trent Johnson nor Johnny Jones could sustain success at LSU, after achieving some.
I'm not saying those are reasons to hire Wade. I'm only saying those aren't reasons to NOT hire him.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:49 pm to Madking
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You like Crean over Wade?
I respect Crean's resume, I'm not sold on the attitude. But throwing $2.5 Mil(supposedly) at Wade makes me nervous and a bit curious about the process.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:50 pm to Madking
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Big east isn't a major anymore FYI
The conference was ranked #3 in RPI and put 7 teams in the tournament. They are still a major.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:51 pm to Madking
False. The Power 5 refers to football. The Big East is a major in basketball.
You are declaring that Villanova, the defending national champ and overall No. 1 seed this year, is not a major?
You are declaring that Villanova, the defending national champ and overall No. 1 seed this year, is not a major?
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:51 pm to Sir Fury
You're comparing sustaining an SEC program to a mid-major program actually even less so. It's not the same game not even the same universe. Jones has sustained a mid major a lot longer than Wade.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:52 pm to nvasil1
Looks like it might come down to wade and crean. Wouldn't mind either. But have so major concerns with me but are the best we can reasonably expect right now.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:53 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Yes do you consider Gonzaga a major? They're the same a nova. It's its not power. 5 football they're the power 5 in all sports.
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This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:59 pm to Madking
so you do or do not like wade?
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:59 pm to Madking
We are talking conferences here. Let's not confuse terminologies.
The P5 indicates the Power 5 football conferences. It is the remainder of what was the BCS, which included the Big East, and was a total of 6 conferences. Much of the old Big East football schools has been absorbed into the Big 10, ACC and AAC.
The Big East is not technically a P5 school, but is certainly a major conference in basketball. I would consider every member a major.
I would personally consider both Gonzaga and Wichita State as majors in basketball, but not the rest of their conference members.
The P5 indicates the Power 5 football conferences. It is the remainder of what was the BCS, which included the Big East, and was a total of 6 conferences. Much of the old Big East football schools has been absorbed into the Big 10, ACC and AAC.
The Big East is not technically a P5 school, but is certainly a major conference in basketball. I would consider every member a major.
I would personally consider both Gonzaga and Wichita State as majors in basketball, but not the rest of their conference members.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 1:01 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Well we are both wrong actually. The big east by definition is a mid major but officially ncaa basketball has no power conferences. So when considering tournament entries no conference has a limit and no conferences are considered power conferences. But mid majors are still referred to as mid majors in hoops and the big east is now a mid major. It's actual name is the catholic seven.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 3/20/17 at 1:02 pm to Madking
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Yes do you consider Gonzaga a major? They're the same a nova.
The WCC is not the same as the Big East.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 1:03 pm to Madking
Technically there is no right or wrong answer. It is just perception. I think most people who follow college basketball consider the Big East to be a major conference.
Based on history, performance, fan support, facilities, coach's pay, etc., I don't think there is even an argument.
Based on history, performance, fan support, facilities, coach's pay, etc., I don't think there is even an argument.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 1:03 pm to Madking
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You're comparing sustaining an SEC program to a mid-major program actually even less so. It's not the same game not even the same universe. Jones has sustained a mid major a lot longer than Wade.
The aren't in the same caliber, no. But he's had success where he was. I'm not sure what more you would want from him, given where he's been. He's had success where he was. It seems to be a matter of young coach vs old coach with you. You don't like his experience level? As I've said before, that's a catch-22. You can't have experience without getting experience. Nothing about his resume suggests he shouldn't have an opportunity like LSU. If he's hired and fails, then so be it. But we haven't really lost anything because we're already at the bottom of the SEC. if he's successful, then it's a big win. It's a good gamble given our position.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 1:03 pm to BilJ
I like Wade if several say no, but Crean is the much better hire.
It depends on who's interested.
Crean >>>>> Wade >>>> Kermit
But
Brey > Miller > Crean >>>>>>> Wade >>>>>> Kermit
Cream would be an A- hire by Alleva. Wade is a B. Kermit is an F.
It depends on who's interested.
Crean >>>>> Wade >>>> Kermit
But
Brey > Miller > Crean >>>>>>> Wade >>>>>> Kermit
Cream would be an A- hire by Alleva. Wade is a B. Kermit is an F.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 1:05 pm to nvasil1
Yes it is the old big east was dissolved in 2013 the new conference is actually the catholic 7. While there are no real mid majors and power conferences in basketball mid major schools are still referred to as mid majors in basketball. The big east (catholic 7) is a mid major.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 1:05 pm to tuptiger
Wow. Kermit is an F?
I would prefer Wade based on youth, but Kermit's resume is demonstrably better.
I would prefer Wade based on youth, but Kermit's resume is demonstrably better.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 1:06 pm to nvasil1
Wade is a young coach and gets his teams to play hard.
If JJ had gotten these last two teams to play hard on both ends of the court, he would still have a job here.
If JJ had gotten these last two teams to play hard on both ends of the court, he would still have a job here.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 1:06 pm to Madking
Yet their teams are not eligible for the mid-major top 25.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 1:07 pm to Sir Fury
Well yes and no. If he'd have a deep run under his belt or avg 28-30 wins per year like White at Florida I'd say ok I'll look past it. But 4 years of house keeping and winning 20 once vs sisters of the poor just isn't enough.
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