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re: USA Today new story on mishandling of misconduct complaints against athletes

Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:09 am to
Posted by MegaTiger3
League City, TX
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:09 am to
I don't know how many times this has to be re-iterated but I'll bring this up again. Miriam Segar is not with compliance. Hasn't been since at least 2012.

I don't know how she or any other member of Administration could have handled it differently. It isn't their job to do criminal investigating. They handed it to Title IX and everything that happens with them is out of their control.
Posted by buckRogers
Nashville, TN
Member since Dec 2014
1882 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:11 am to
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Lester Earl


While I would argue that this isn't a smoking gun in terms of Orgeron's complicity, this is an excellent analysis of actual facts instead of just going right for pitchforks and torches. Need more of that around here.

Also...

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Sept 16 2018: Drake Davis arrested again child pornography


Jesus Mary and Joseph this guy was really on one...
This post was edited on 11/16/20 at 11:12 am
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288775 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:14 am to
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Jesus Mary and Joseph this guy was really on one...




lol.

He was arrested again in July 2019, too. I just stopped when he was dismissed from the team
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23072 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:20 am to
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lol.

He was arrested again in July 2019, too. I just stopped when he was dismissed from the team


Damn. Davis’ dad really dropped the ball on raising his kid right.
Posted by rrboy
USA
Member since Jan 2005
5488 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:26 am to
Fake news. The media really has gone to shite.
Posted by dwright369
Member since Aug 2020
1357 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:26 am to
This article is fricking garbage - as someone posted earlier, it’s an extension of the Guice case (published for the intention of keeping that issue in focus) - not worthy of being identified as “journalism”.

After the fiasco at Baylor, I refuse to believe our administration would be reckless &/or careless enough to jeopardize themselves and the program when it comes to the EXACT SAME INSTITUTIONAL PROBLEM that forever tarnished that university.

I would bet the ranch that every state university in the nation has numerous cases of athletes being accused of “dating violence”, and I would also bet their administration handled them in similar fashion to the manner in which LSU did.

Without question, domestic violence and “dating violence” are horrific, criminal acts that we as a society must not tolerate. That said, this hit piece is garbage intended to inflict harm and damage to the reputation of the individuals and institution named in it.

The article and the “journalist” are POS as far as I am concerned!!
Posted by viv1d
Member since Aug 2017
1822 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:30 am to
Anybody have the Zach Van Rosenberg tweet he deleted?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467749 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:33 am to
this seems to be a much bigger problem for LSU and F King Alexander than Ed Orgeron. the heads who can roll are not at LSU anymore

Verge is likely toast as well

based on the Davis timeline, O should only be in trouble if between July 2018 and August 2018 judicial affairs ordered Davis off campus via the Title 9 investigation and interviews.

also, it's notable that the police were involved in every incident, correct? this wasn't "covered up" if the actual police were involved. now can there be technical violations of Title 9? sure, especially under Obama's terrible guidance, but that's not an Orgeron/LSUFB issue
Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:36 am to
I’m not putting it all on O. I just don’t think Von Rosenberg can sit there and say he didn’t know about any of this.

If verge Ausberry & Mickey Joseph are involved, coach O knows everything that is going on.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:38 am to
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also, it's notable that the police were involved in every incident, correct? this wasn't "covered up" if the actual police were involved. now can there be technical violations of Title 9? sure, especially under Obama's terrible guidance, but that's not an Orgeron/LSUFB issue


The victim, when it came down to it, did not seem to totally comply with authorities once faced with everything
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75936 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:43 am to
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April 14 2018: Davis admits in a text message to Verge Ausberry that he punched the victim.


There is really no justification for Davis to still be associated with the program after this. Anything before this you could argue due process. At this point, he should have been gone.

The tennis coach seems to come up in a lot of this stuff as well.
Posted by TheRouxGuru
Member since Nov 2019
13565 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:44 am to
USA Today couldn’t have done us a solid and threw in an accusation or two aimed at Pelini? shite
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
33406 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:49 am to
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Makes jokes if y’all want to but nearly the same type of things happened at Baylor and heads rolled at the highest levels. University President, Head Coach. Lawsuit after lawsuit. Athletic penalties. And that was just the tip of the iceberg. It was a 5 year ordeal that consumed the University and its Athletic Department. This is not good.


Are you fricking serious? Michigan State covered up a STAFF MEMBER raping women and Baylor’s entire coaching staff wasn’t just not reporting rape accusations correctly, they were coercing witnesses and keeping players on the field knowing what was happening.

LSU needs to clean up its act and follow the rules to the letter. However, you can’t say none of these players were dealt with once there was an official complaint against them. There are staff throughout the athletic dept who will be fired over this, but as long as Woodward gets in front of it and gets rid of anyone left who was actively involved, like Verge Ausberry, and takes a hard line on all future enforcement and any slip ups, then it won’t result in a program-wide burn. Again, none of this is good, but it’s also not as pervasive or as flagrant as what Baylor or MSU did. It’s just not.
Posted by Fenwick86
Member since May 2007
3863 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:49 am to
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May 2017: Victim's father spoke with Tennis Coach Sell on two other occasions that summer about alleged abuse.


Then lied about being aware of the allegations.

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They later told police that they did not learn of the abuse until a year later – White in April 2018, and the Sells in June 2018, police records show.


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A former tennis player disputed that, saying she personally reported Davis' abuse to Julia Sell “six to seven months before that, at least.”

“I’m sure they knew, because I talked to her,” the former player said of Julia Sell.


The Sells need to be fired today.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288775 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:50 am to
I had that incident in bold but decided to let people draw their own conclusion.

Ausbery is beloved, but that’s not a good look on him & it may cost him.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
59246 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:57 am to
Remember when people freaked out & wanted me banned for saying there were ugly rumors about Guice?
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:00 pm to
Please cite relevant articles
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467749 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:00 pm to
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The victim, when it came down to it, did not seem to totally comply with authorities once faced with everything

this is why there was a big shift under Obama to put the onus on universities, because they don't have to give the accused due process

there used to be a website promoting the new Title 9 stuff and it specifically argued to go Title 9 instead of LEO b/c it was easier to win and easier on the alleged victim
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
33406 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:02 pm to
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Ausbery is beloved, but that’s not a good look on him & it may cost him.


Heads always roll with something like this and if what you wrote can be proven beyond doubt, then he’s toast. And he should be. And the tennis coaches. Anything beyond them will be very difficult to prove other than staff who aren’t at LSU anymore.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
18452 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:03 pm to
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wtf is “dating violence”.


From my basic understanding, it's domestic violence of a non-cohabitated partner.
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