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re: USA Today new story on mishandling of misconduct complaints against athletes
Posted on 11/16/20 at 1:36 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/16/20 at 1:36 pm to Lester Earl
Iirc there were no police reports, at most one title IX report. The tennis coach should be investigated for sure.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 1:39 pm to Lester Earl
I'm curious to see what level of cooperation the accusers had with LSU's investigation. The thing that aggravated me in the original USA Today article on Guice was that it seemed as though the victims didn't exactly cooperate with LSU's inquiries about the alleged accusations.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 1:41 pm to Monkeyboy
IMO the first accuser with Guice is full of shite. The second may be as well considering she was kicked of the team for drugs and her coach didn't believe her. From the first accuser. Guice was most definitely not "like a god around here" in 2016. It's a bs story and cop out
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When a nurse at the health center asked if she planned to pursue a complaint against Guice, the woman said no.
“I don’t want to be that girl that everyone looks at and says, ‘Oh, she’s lying,’ ” the woman said. “Also, I was kind of scared to go forward with it because he was so violent.”
The nurse’s response reaffirmed to the woman that, even if she made a complaint to LSU, nothing would come of it.
“He’s like a god around here,” the woman recalled the nurse, an LSU employee, saying. “It probably would get pushed under the rug.”
This post was edited on 11/16/20 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 11/16/20 at 1:43 pm to SammyTiger
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Comparing LSU to Baylor and Penn State is bullshite.
I'd clarify "bullshite" to mean "a result of Orgeron off-handedly mentioning a support for Trump."
Posted on 11/16/20 at 2:02 pm to Monkeyboy
Might just be the way that I read the article but while the allegations seems very serious, Miriam Segar seems to have avoided this being significantly worse than it currently is. Looks like she really did the right thing and that may save us now. I know we shite on her a lot on this board but she seems to have done a whole lot of good here for long term effects of this situation
Posted on 11/16/20 at 2:02 pm to SammyTiger
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He was suspended before he was expelled but they left that out.
Not true. It says he was suspended, then reinstated for fall camp before eventually being kicked off the team.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 2:10 pm to MrWiseGuy
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So I would think LSU is doing things correctly, but clearly we don't have all the facts.
I really shouldn’t have to say this but I will anyway: I don’t agree with a University, AD or HC giving a pass to any allegation of RAPE, SA / Violence or any other form of abuse on a woman / man / other (I know but when in Rome!)
It's impossible for a Man or Entity (Business, University, NFL Franchise etc) to “Do things correctly”. BC Anything short of the Public humiliation & annihilation of the “Accused” BUT Presumed Innocent MAN is considered a FAILURE by the Liberal Media & Twitt-a-sphere which evidently are the Judge, Jury & Executioners!
BTW Is DV a previously undiscovered way for a man to assault a woman only while on a DATE?
Posted on 11/16/20 at 2:19 pm to RightWingTiger
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It's impossible for a Man or Entity (Business, University, NFL Franchise etc) to “Do things correctly”. BC Anything short of the Public humiliation & annihilation of the “Accused” BUT Presumed Innocent MAN is considered a FAILURE by the Liberal Media & Twitt-a-sphere which evidently are the Judge, Jury & Executioners!
you do realize most of this is over 2 years old, right?
Posted on 11/16/20 at 2:29 pm to MrWiseGuy
I do not recall LSU ignoring any of this.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 2:32 pm to Lester Earl
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This post was edited on 11/16/20 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 11/16/20 at 2:38 pm to themunch
LSU should use this as an excuse to clean the football program out.
It won’t though.
Idiots.
It won’t though.
Idiots.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 2:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this is why there was a big shift under Obama to put the onus on universities, because they don't have to give the accused due process
Which is why this part of the article is complete bull shite
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It’s not only athlete cases that have stalled in LSU’s Title IX process. Delays, missteps and inaction have also plagued cases involving ordinary students, according to interviews with five women who’ve gone through the process, as well as corroborating documents they provided USA TODAY.
In spring 2019, Elisabeth Andries, an LSU industrial engineering major, encountered a familiar face in one of her classes: the fraternity member who she said sexually assaulted her two years earlier, when she was a freshman.
It happened on a fraternity bus trip to New Orleans, Andries said. The frat member, who was a friend, had invited her as his date. They drank heavily, to the point that she was vomiting, she said. Although her memory of the night is fuzzy, she recalled her date moving her to the back of the bus, ripping open her shirt and touching her without her consent.
“I remember repeatedly saying ‘stop’ and ‘no,’ ” Andries said. “I think I just kind of blacked out after that.”
Totally believable
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Andries said she tried to ignore him in the class they had together two years later, but couldn’t. She started to suffer chronic panic attacks, she said, so she reported the incident to the school.
As it turned out, another female student had already reported the same man for sexually assaulting her in almost the exact same way, the same night, on the same bus trip.
Both women decided to move forward with a Title IX case. They did not file police reports.
USA TODAY is not naming the fraternity member at the request of the women, who fear retaliation from him. He did not return phone and social media messages from a reporter.
I bet every single title 9 office has a similar story. There is no way of proving anything what the hell do this girls expect.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 3:37 pm to themunch
We just do not want to have another Baylor situation. 
Posted on 11/16/20 at 4:06 pm to Dire Wolf
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There is no way of proving anything what the hell do this girls expect.
But even after her complaint and learning that another girl accused him of exactly the same thing and LSU found him responsible for both assaults...they still expected her to sit in a class with him?
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LSU in June 2019 found the frat member responsible for sexually assaulting both women, case records the women shared with USA TODAY show. At every stage of the appeal process, LSU upheld the guilty verdict.
Yet even after finding him responsible twice, LSU refused to switch him out of the classes that he and Andries were set to share during the upcoming, fall 2019 semester, emails show. Instead, Andries said she was told that she would have to be the one to switch, because she was “the uncomfortable one,” and he had the same rights as her.
I mean wtf is that? Then they give LSU the name of a third accuser and we never followed that up...that's another violation. Then that Sanders idiot contacts the wrong fraternity president. Then months later after being told they handled it, she sees the guy at a football game. Tells LSU and they say ohh yeah we gave him another extension...a person who had already been found responsible for assaulting two female students and possibly a third.
This case sounds like bureaucratic incompetence more than anything nefarious going on. Maybe if he had been caught with a gram of weed instead of sexually assaulting drunk sorority girls that aren't of legal drinking age he would have been dealt with more swiftly.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 4:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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also, it's notable that the police were involved in every incident, correct? this wasn't "covered up" if the actual police were involved. now can there be technical violations of Title 9? sure, especially under Obama's terrible guidance, but that's not an Orgeron/LSUFB issue
The fact that Title IX has been bastardized into this ridiculous standard where a university has to act as an investigative body re: alleged crime rather than police is absurd. What these women are alleging are crimes. We have a criminal justice system that operates outside of LSU to investigate and, if warranted, prosecute these alleged crimes. ALL of these complaints should be presented to the police first and foremost rather than (in many cases) solely to the university. In turn, it's the criminal justice that should investigate, not some mickey mouse administrative body and administrative process largely devoid of due process to the accused.
This may be the most telling statement of the entire article:
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“I just think that honestly they don’t care,” one of the women told USA TODAY. “The whole system is on the side of the accused.”
Holy shite! What an incredibly stupid statement. The system IS on the side of the accused. As it should be. The bedrock of our entire criminal justice system is based upon absolute fairness to the accused
Posted on 11/16/20 at 4:13 pm to Fenwick86
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This case sounds like bureaucratic incompetence more than anything nefarious going on
Yeo, and honestly its gonna make the Athletic program look bad but sounds to me that its a university admin issue not sports admin issue.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 4:39 pm to skullhawk
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This article is complete trash. LSU football doesn't prosecute players for rape. That's the responsibility of the DA. The majority of players mentioned were booted from the team. Philips was cleared of any wrongdoing. I'd sue the shite out of USA Today if I was him.
Exactly. They really should have consequences.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 4:48 pm to TigerDat
The Davis situation is pretty inexcusable for O. Don't know how he survives that.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 5:26 pm to Byron Bojangles III
What do you mean how he survives that? Title 1X says that the school does the investigation. He does not. He has to do what the school allows him to do. If they dont tell him shite then guess what... he aint doing shite.
This is the problem with Title 1X. Always has been. It should be set up where outside law enforcement does the investigation. Half of the females do not even want to make a legit complaint to anyone because they feel uncomfortable with the schools doing it. Let law enforcement do it. That is what they are there for.
This is the problem with Title 1X. Always has been. It should be set up where outside law enforcement does the investigation. Half of the females do not even want to make a legit complaint to anyone because they feel uncomfortable with the schools doing it. Let law enforcement do it. That is what they are there for.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 5:54 pm to Monkeyboy
The accusers may have felt a fear of retaliation.
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