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Alatgr
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
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I've never had a cramp that made me 'fall' to the ground.


...coincidentally while taking signals from the coaches on the sideline.
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Philippines4LSU
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
In basketball, you get a set amount of time outs to use, and if you call more than you have you are assessed a technical foul (opponent shoots FT and gets the ball).

Give every CFB team so many injury timeouts and assess a delay-of-game penalty if that number is exceeded.


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Mustang99
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Shreveport
Member since Oct 2017
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
Clock run off would potentially help the offending party, not hurt them. What if it’s at the end of the half or game and defender “flops” to kill momentum? The offensive team would them loose time towards the end of the drive?!?! That would be the worst possible thing you could do to fix the problem.


I20goon
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
Simply:
- allow no substitutions other than the injured or flop player

- require injured/flop player to stay out for at least 3 plays.

You don't have to 'ban' it (it's already banned- there's an unenforceable rule in place). Just take away some of the advantage and it will work itself out.

If a player is truly injured, you would expect them to be out for 3 plays anyway. No harm no foul if legit.


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atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
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Clock run off would potentially help the offending party, not hurt them. What if it’s at the end of the half or game and defender “flops” to kill momentum? The offensive team would them loose time towards the end of the drive?!?! That would be the worst possible thing you could do to fix the problem.
my clock runoff solution would obviously need to be implemented so as to not benefit the offending team. That's my overall point - don't let a replay review or a fake injury stop the clock and give the offending team a free timeout, if the clock would ordinarily be running and the offending team has no timeouts.

ETA: there's other things that could be done in lieu of, or in combination with, a flop of replay review that stops the clock. Perhaps make all players (other than the injured player) stay on the field between the hashes until the ref starts the clock again. That would prevent the Auburn situation where they ran their FG team on the field during replay stoppage. That needs fixing.
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AlxTgr
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
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We did the same thing against Texas at the beginning of the year.
Which player(s)?


ChineseBandit58
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
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Perhaps make all players (other than the injured player) stay on the field between the hashes until the ref starts the clock again. That would prevent the Auburn situation where they ran their FG team on the field during replay stoppage.




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That needs fixing.


Not until it screws Alabama a dozen more times


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Pipedream
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
Meant to say future not life.


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Hunter82378
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
Well I stopped reading when you said these boys are putting their future on the line for my entertainment...... I disagree totally with you. They don’t give a shite about me or my entertainment.... they are putting their future on the line for big $$$$$$ and a ticket to a NFL team.



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Thorny
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Member since May 2008
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
I truly don't care if the other team flops.

A guy is laying on the ground? It's bad form to boo him.

Can it be used as a strategy? Sure it can. But, there is a cost with that player being out the next play. It's not my job, or the official's job, to determine whether the cost is worth the strategic advantage. In the cases this year with aTm and Auburn, it didn't hurt us when a defense did it. Burrow ran for his TD against Auburn on the next play, right at where Bryant would have been, IIRC. Nothing hurt our offense against aTm.

I do like the idea of having him sit for 3 plays, but don't care too much.

Like the question of the run-off of time on a review, there is no way you can write the rule where it will only hurt the offending team.

GEAUX TIGERS


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BigOrangeWave
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
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If you are going to flop, fine, I get it is part of the gamesmanship. But god damn at least make an effort to sell it as real.

I'd like to see these guys clutch at their chest and lie motionless. Really get the crowds buzzing.


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Rougarou13
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
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I've never had a cramp that made me 'fall' to the ground...


shite I have. Calf cramps and foot cramps are the worst.

But they're coached to do that. If they have a cramp, or other issue, they are told to just lay down. That will initiate the injury timeout and the trainers can assess. It's better than catching a cramp, then trying to get off the field before the play gets off and have a substitution.

The bad part about this is the probability of abusing that process.


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OldManRiver
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Member since Jan 2005
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
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Which player(s)?

If he's talking about D-linemen, both Logan and Lawrence were out for at least the next 2 games after UT, with Logan even more. That's some serious dedication to carrying out the fake

I don't remember any LB or DB going down and popping right back up, but it's been a while so I'm maybe/probably wrong


Mustang99
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Shreveport
Member since Oct 2017
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
I see your point now. Yes. I still think the best solution is usually the simplest one. Make the player sit out a predetermined number of plays or the rest of the drive. Simple and easy to enforce


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ccomeaux
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Member since Jan 2010
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
1st Qtr cramps that cause you to go down on the field ?
Then get up and walk off without a limp ?

That BS should be a delay of game penalty at the least and an unsportsman like penalty at the worst.


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AlxTgr
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
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If he's talking about D-linemen, both Logan and Lawrence were out for at least the next 2 games after UT, with Logan even more. That's some serious dedication to carrying out the fake

I don't remember any LB or DB going down and popping right back up, but it's been a while so I'm maybe/probably wrong

I have asked here and on twitter. No one can point out which of our players flopped.


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xiv
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
As long as teams run a hurry-up form of offense—a form of gamesmanship—defenders will answer with their own form of gamesmanship to slow the game down to its intended pace. This is something that polices itself. If the other team’s players are flop-dropping, it’s because you’re trying to game the system by playing at a pace not intended in the game.


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KC Tiger
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
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We did the same thing against Texas at the beginning of the year


You should investigate what you're talking about before you actually start talking. Just after the Texas game someone did an analysis of all of our defensive players who had to leave the game. Of all of the players who needed assistance off the field, there were (if memory serves) only 2 occasions where that player reentered the game after one play. All of the other players were out for multiple plays, went to the locker room (on two occasions) and I believe one of the players did not reenter the game at all.

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Pipedream

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DonJuanDaMiles
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San Diego, CA
Member since Feb 2014
302 posts

re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
Yeah they're playing football for our entertainment

These kids don't really care about the fans and if they do it is at the bottom of the list. Booing someone who is genuinely hurt is deplorable, but this flop BS needs to end.


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justsaygeaux2
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Member since Feb 2017
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re: Unpopular opinion about the cramp Flops
They were aggy, after all. Could have been a reasonable explanation. Maybe his tampon slipped out and he needed to go fetal to discreetly put it back in.


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